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Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:45 pm to BigBro
So two things:
Not really . . . . Conferences were going game of thrones back then and Texas, A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, etc were just assets to be scooped up at the expense of rival conferences. The SEC wasn't moneywhipping Texas like the idiots at the Big 12 or the dolts at ESPN. They were just offering conference membership. The price was right in that scenario.
For one, you massively overstate the impact of a Texas move on the larger landscape. The Big 12 then would have just rebuilt like it did in all the other scenarios and is doing right now.
Texas did not destroy the PAC. The Pac leadership and the Big 10 destroyed the PAC. ESPN execs were not playing 3 level chess . . . .that is just weird alternate history trying to explain away the enormous financial losses incurred by ESPN
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The SEC wanted Texas also.. were they stupid also? Texas is valuable even if they go 6-6 every year. People like to watch Texas lose.
Not really . . . . Conferences were going game of thrones back then and Texas, A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, etc were just assets to be scooped up at the expense of rival conferences. The SEC wasn't moneywhipping Texas like the idiots at the Big 12 or the dolts at ESPN. They were just offering conference membership. The price was right in that scenario.
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You couldn't be more wrong. This is one of the best decisions ESPN ever made.
Instead of letting Texas go to the PAC 16 and causing complete disruption across the board, ESPN only had to pay Texas $15 million per year to stabilize the college football landscape, which was way cheaper than the $200 million+ they would have had to pay for a PAC 16 contract..
In addition, they bought control of Texas for 20 years, which would allow them to move Texas on the chess board to wherever they wanted..
For one, you massively overstate the impact of a Texas move on the larger landscape. The Big 12 then would have just rebuilt like it did in all the other scenarios and is doing right now.
Texas did not destroy the PAC. The Pac leadership and the Big 10 destroyed the PAC. ESPN execs were not playing 3 level chess . . . .that is just weird alternate history trying to explain away the enormous financial losses incurred by ESPN
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:47 pm to Jrv2damac
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I hope they ruin the conference
Frankly, so do I.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:58 pm to truth22
Texas did not, and could not, end prop 48 for Nebraska. It was a vote that went 11-1.
All the revenue sharing votes, by the way, are public record. A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri voted the exact same way as Texas every time.
Texas did not move the conference offices from KC to Dallas. The Big 8 ceased to exist when the Big 12 was formed. It was not a merger. It was a brand new conference of the Big 8 teams and the 4 Texas teams. The new conference voted to put the offices in Dallas. Not even sure why the location of conference offices matter. I assume they chose Dallas due to its location and it having the best and most convenient air service.
Big 8 people like to think the Texas schools joined the Big 8. That is simply not true. It was a new conference. Go check out the Big 12 website and conference or individual records. They all start in 1996.
All the revenue sharing votes, by the way, are public record. A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri voted the exact same way as Texas every time.
Texas did not move the conference offices from KC to Dallas. The Big 8 ceased to exist when the Big 12 was formed. It was not a merger. It was a brand new conference of the Big 8 teams and the 4 Texas teams. The new conference voted to put the offices in Dallas. Not even sure why the location of conference offices matter. I assume they chose Dallas due to its location and it having the best and most convenient air service.
Big 8 people like to think the Texas schools joined the Big 8. That is simply not true. It was a new conference. Go check out the Big 12 website and conference or individual records. They all start in 1996.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:01 pm to Mizzou Mule
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Pompous texass will again try their powerplay this time on the SEC. It's only a matter of time. They have a pattern. It will definitely happen.
ahhhh... a lightbulb moment..
It finally makes sense why Missouri hates Texas..
Background
In December 2009, the Big Ten threw college sports into upheaval with one sentence, stirring up dust that wouldn’t settle for almost three years.
“The (Council of Presidents/Chancellors) believes that the timing is right for the conference to once again conduct a thorough evaluation of options for conference structure and expansion,” read a statement released by the Big Ten.
Link: DEC 2009 - Big 10 considering expansion
Missouri got passed over for a bowl game they wanted in 2009, so they reached out to the Big 10..
Link: DEC 2009 - Pure Gold on Missouri wanting the Big 10
Texas found out that Missouri wanted out.. so they started talking to the PAC, and the idea of a PAC 16 idea was formed.. Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Ok State, Tech & Colorado would merge with the PAC 10.
Baylor was pissed and they were trying to take the place of Colorado via the Texas Legislature. Colorado said screw that, so they jumped first to take the spot that Baylor wanted..
Nebraska saw Colorado jump and then learned about the PAC 16 deal. They called up the Big 10 and said let's do this, which meant Nebraska had just taken Missouri's spot.
Therefore.. Missouri blames Texas that they aren't in the Big 10..
Truth be told, the Big 10 started the whole thing in December 2009.. They are the ones to blame.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:03 pm to JetDawg
This is Mike Farrell's publication,
1) He hates Texas
2) He's probably broke and needs the clicks
3) He has the worst fkin takes.. he tweeted out that the chiefs made the dumbest mistake by drafting Patrick Mahomes.
1) He hates Texas
2) He's probably broke and needs the clicks
3) He has the worst fkin takes.. he tweeted out that the chiefs made the dumbest mistake by drafting Patrick Mahomes.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:06 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
Absolute truth buddy.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:13 pm to JetDawg
You can rehash all this stuff and Texas fans will continue to deny that it actually happened.
But the one thing that will be more significant than anything else for Texas in the new league is the fact that the preponderance of officials won't be Texas based. In the Big XII damn near every crew had a bunch of Texans on it. A lot of the crew chiefs were Texas based guys and and Austin had several guys who were close to the UT program that were head officials.
This problem was even worse in the old SWC when Arkansas played teams with full crews of Texans doing the officiating almost every weekend.
I suspect in the SEC the crews will have a more well proportioned number of officials from the respective states represented by SEC teams.
But the one thing that will be more significant than anything else for Texas in the new league is the fact that the preponderance of officials won't be Texas based. In the Big XII damn near every crew had a bunch of Texans on it. A lot of the crew chiefs were Texas based guys and and Austin had several guys who were close to the UT program that were head officials.
This problem was even worse in the old SWC when Arkansas played teams with full crews of Texans doing the officiating almost every weekend.
I suspect in the SEC the crews will have a more well proportioned number of officials from the respective states represented by SEC teams.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:14 pm to Jrv2damac
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I hope they ruin the conference
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:16 pm to Buckeye06
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But the one thing that will be more significant than anything else for Texas in the new league is the fact that the preponderance of officials won't be Texas based.
Exactly.
All schools that could bailed away from texass.
Ask Nebraska fans about the time 1 second was put back on the clock so texass could kick a field goal and beat them.
Don't expect that stuff to be happening in the SEC. texass just jumped into a much larger pond.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm to Windy City
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Texas did not destroy the PAC. The Pac leadership and the Big 10 destroyed the PAC. ESPN execs were not playing 3 level chess . . . .that is just weird alternate history trying to explain away the enormous financial losses incurred by ESPN
I never said Texas destroyed the PAC.
I said as a side effect, the LHN destroyed the PAC.
ESPN created the LHN.
The LHN couldn't be brought to the PAC, so all discussions about a PAC 16 stopped. In doing so, all viable options for the PAC to increase TV revenues were eliminated. Yes, they could have added teams, but it wouldn't have increased their TV revenues..
As time went on, the PAC couldn't compete with the Big 10 or SEC, and even the Big 12 and ACC deals were better. Yes, Larry Scott is partially to blame for this, but what were his options? He could have added BYU, Texas Tech, Boise State or other comparable teams.. How does that help them compete with the Big 10 and SEC?
So yes, it is my opinion that ESPN killed the PAC as a side effect of the LHN poison pill. It is not the only reason, which is why it is a side effect.. but it definitely played a role.
Out of curiosity, why do you think that the LHN was a bad deal for ESPN? Because they had to pay $15 million per year for something that no one watched?
If that poison pill saved them hundreds of millions of dollars every year, is that not worth it?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:21 pm to ColoradoElkHerd
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Ask Nebraska fans about the time 1 second was put back on the clock so texass could kick a field goal and beat them.
There was 1 second in the clock when the ball hit the turf.
Funny thing is the same exact thing happened to Nebraska 2 years ago playing Northwestern, except in the Huskers favor this time.
And just like in 2009, the officials put 1 second on the clock. But Nebraska missed the field goal and eventually lost by 3.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:23 pm to BigBro
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It finally makes sense why Missouri hates Texas..
Those are the public statements of the time people are commenting on. Plenty of retired ADs and people in the know have discussed what actually happened.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:24 pm to ColoradoElkHerd
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All schools that could bailed away from texass.
Oklahoma could’ve easily gone to the SEC any time. In fact the SEC begged them to before they ended up taking Missouri.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:25 pm to Windy City
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For one, you massively overstate the impact of a Texas move on the larger landscape.
In your opinion, which other team or teams in the country are comparable to Texas? Which team that has moved in realignment is equal or more valuable than Texas?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:27 pm to Hugh McElroy
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My biggest beef with OU is that they have always been too much of a pussy to stand up to uta.
Stand up to what?
They've never done anything to us that I can recall.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:30 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
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Oklahoma could’ve easily gone to the SEC any time. In fact the SEC begged them to before they ended up taking Missouri.
The SEC would have had to get permission from TX first.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:31 pm to ColoradoElkHerd
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Ask Nebraska fans about the time 1 second was put back on the clock so texass could kick a field goal and beat them.
There was clearly 1 second left when the ball hit out of bounds.. you bozo..
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:33 pm to Gunga Din
Yes it’ll be much better in the SEC. Instead of the refs favoring Texas, they’ll favor Alabama.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:35 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
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Yes it’ll be much better in the SEC. Instead of the refs favoring Texas, they’ll favor Alabama.
Get you one.
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