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re: ABC News - Greg Brooks Jr. speaks out about lawsuit vs LSU, recovery from brain surgery
Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:11 pm to WildcatMike
Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:11 pm to WildcatMike
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I’d imagine it’s the Trainers who “ diagnose” Brooks with “Vertigo” and clearing him to practice.
That's my question. Where was the team doctor in this? Ours was regularly at the facility or at the very least was a call away.
As you said, trainers aren't supposed to be out diagnosing.
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Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
Prognosis is a whole lot different than diagnose. The team physician should had diagnosed and cleared Brooks.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:15 pm to GooseSix
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LSU fans, folks..
Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:19 pm to Temple of the Dog
Dang, BK now is one for two!
Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:21 pm to memphisplaya
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You don’t just give someone an MRI when you have the symptoms of vertigo.
You do if it is persisting and no other tests can determine what it is from. But I am sure you have access to his entire medical file so you can tell us what tests should have been done on the correct schedule.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Where was the team doctor in this?
Solid question. It seems there could be more to the story. What lead up to him getting surgery? Did he he see a doctor at LSU before going to OLOL?
Also, genuine question - are there medical facilities for the players on campus? Like if a player is sick, he would go there? I know LSU has on-campus clinic for students.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 2:48 pm to Jebadeb
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Also, genuine question - are there medical facilities for the players on campus? Like if a player is sick, he would go there? I know LSU has on-campus clinic for students.
Every University is different but the school I worked with had team doctors at the training facility (attached to the football facilities). So they would see him or an NP on staff if they were sick.
If for some reason they weren't available (like after hours) they were usually referred to someone affiliated with campus. I was at a school that had a large medical program and one of the area's hospitals so there plenty of folks for them to see within that network.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 3:19 pm to Randall Savauge
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"My son almost lost his life. Coach, where were you? Forget about football. Pick up the phone and say you love the kid, man."
so they're suing him because he didn't call? soft.
It's not even true. BK was in contact with them, LSU did tons for the Brooks family. But of course once they hire a lawyer contact is going to stop. LSU did a ton for the kid, but LSU didn't give him a tumor. He was dealt an awful hand, no denying that, but LSU had no part in that.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 3:49 pm to Temple of the Dog
Strahan's daughter was diagnosed with the same cancer. It's dubious to think this isn't a slanted piece coming from ABC/GMA. It's certainly not testimony regarding who (trainers or docs) provided any diagnosis.
And, depending on which subgroup of medulloblastoma Brooks actually had, the prognosis for recovery could be decent or not.
Lastly, imagine the disclaimers involved with brain surgery. The Brooks family is doing the obvious. Can't really say I blame them given Greg's situation but that doesn't change reality.
And, depending on which subgroup of medulloblastoma Brooks actually had, the prognosis for recovery could be decent or not.
Lastly, imagine the disclaimers involved with brain surgery. The Brooks family is doing the obvious. Can't really say I blame them given Greg's situation but that doesn't change reality.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 3:49 pm to WildcatMike
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One, Athletic Trainers are not to give out medical diagnoses to athletes and release an athlete to competition
False. You don't think trainers diagnose sprained ankles, hamstring strains etc?
Yes, this turned out to be much more than that but it still doesn't make your statement factual.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/3/25 at 3:51 pm to Faurot fodder
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If LSU hadn't stolen Our Lady's purse, maybe she could have afforded a qualified surgeon. So sad.
by Faurot fodder
You’re a total pos. Seriously. Using a tragedy to a great, young man to troll.
Newsflash: Tumors and cancer afflict millions of Americans every year. It’s not the people whom they are spending time in their lives fault. LSU didn’t give this young man a tumor. No one could stop the tragic events that happened.
Is it the parents fault when their child gets afflicted with leukemia? Is it their fault if they die?
Newsflash: millions of young people get ill and die in this country all the time. It’s virtually never someone in their lives fault that they do.
Using a tragedy like this to be an immature troll is just classless and being a total POS.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 3:52 pm to Temple of the Dog
What's missing here is the team doctor. Certainly the trainer needs to be held accountable if that is indeed what happened.
But as far as university liability, it'll become a question of how soon did he see the team doctor once symptoms started, and based on the doctor's notes, did he practice in good faith, and would have been reasonable by other expert opinion that work up should've been expedited.
Lastly, what do they mean by someone "who wasn't qualified"? Like a non-neurosurgical person? Someone still in residency? Or a neurosurgeon with non enough hours for a certain procedure?
But as far as university liability, it'll become a question of how soon did he see the team doctor once symptoms started, and based on the doctor's notes, did he practice in good faith, and would have been reasonable by other expert opinion that work up should've been expedited.
Lastly, what do they mean by someone "who wasn't qualified"? Like a non-neurosurgical person? Someone still in residency? Or a neurosurgeon with non enough hours for a certain procedure?
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:15 pm to tigerskin
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False. You don't think trainers diagnose sprained ankles, hamstring strains etc? Yes, this turned out to be much more than that but it still doesn't make your statement factual.
OK, let’s see how that argument works in a court of law. Trainers, even certified are not trained to make disease state diagnosis.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:19 pm to WildcatMike
In a court of law, this won't be seen as a delay in diagnosis. The norm for diagnosis of brain tumors has been posted.
Whether they have evidence regarding complications of the surgery itself is a different issue, which will be evaluated at the time of a medical review panel.
Whether they have evidence regarding complications of the surgery itself is a different issue, which will be evaluated at the time of a medical review panel.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:20 pm to ukraine_rebel
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What's missing here is the team doctor. Certainly the trainer needs to be held accountable if that is indeed what happened.
Doctors misdiagnose every single day. My wife had breast cancer and the first two oncologists she saw never saw it, and never diagnosed it, even though she complained of symptoms. It took a third oncologist to finally diagnose her correctly.
Sadly, most people can’t grasp that their personal health is “their” responsibility. It’s each person’s responsibility to seek out further medical care, and advise, if you don’t agree with the opinions and advise you are getting.
Athletes in college and professional sports are constantly getting 2nd and 3rd opinions on torn ACL’s.
I don’t know what else to say here, but bad shite happens to all of us. Life isn’t fair. But.. it isn’t someone else’s fault when you are inflicted with a terrible medical issue.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:27 pm to ukraine_rebel
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Lastly, what do they mean by someone "who wasn't qualified"? Like a non-neurosurgical person? Someone still in residency? Or a neurosurgeon with non enough hours for a certain procedure?
I looked up the surgeon, and he is a nuerosurgeon. So I guess the argument is that he did not have enough experience with this procedure?
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:35 pm to tigerskin
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According to the National Athletic Trainers Association (NATA) guidelines, athletic trainers can perform an initial evaluation and assessment of an injury, including taking a patient history, performing a physical examination, and making a "clinical diagnosis" based on their findings; however, they should always refer athletes to a physician for definitive diagnosis and management of complex or serious injuries that fall outside their scope of practice, especially when requiring further diagnostic imaging or prescription medication.
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Referral process: If an injury is beyond the scope of an athletic trainer's practice, they should promptly refer the athlete to a physician for further evaluation and treatmen
Like I stated, athletic trainers are not qualified to “diagnose” vertigo” and clear Brooks to participate in practice without consulting a physician in the medical field.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:40 pm to Tammany Tom
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Doctors misdiagnose every single day. My wife had breast cancer and the first two oncologists she saw never saw it, and never diagnosed it, even though she complained of symptoms. It took a third oncologist to finally diagnose her correctly.
Of course they do, but there's misdiagnosing then there's malpractice. The latter would include any documentation, texts whatever, to suggest that there was external pressure to get him back to practice, or if he didn't document a good physical exam or findings were inconsistent.
Also, if there were any "red flags" that warranted a more expedient work up.
So while Doctor's aren't perfect, there are certain standards.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:48 pm to WildcatMike
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Like I stated, athletic trainers are not qualified to “diagnose” vertigo”
That isn't what you said in the post I was replying to
Regardless, it won't fit the definition of delay in diagnosis for a brain tumor
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 2/3/25 at 4:49 pm to Jebadeb
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So I guess the argument is that he did not have enough experience with this procedure?
An interesting point on that is that it says it was an "emergency procedure", which sometimes can lessen the requirements if the procedure was truly emergent.
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