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re: $126,935 is the average annual cost of a Student-Athlete at Alabama.

Posted on 1/24/18 at 6:47 pm to
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 6:47 pm to
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Second... you are confusing the market value of college football with the market value of college football players. When you remove the college, there is no TV market. There is an extreme loyalty to colleges. High school players don't qualify for a college. College players get kicked out. Junior college ratings with these same players do not follow the college ratings because of loyalty. Tell loyalty is to the school. If UGA signs the #1 recruiting class or #40 recruiting class, I am a UGA fan. Former players and other alumni will still be UGA fans regardless of the recruits.


How many Fans are going to pay $125 per ticket plus extra expenses to watch "Joe Blow Average Athlete" play a sport just because he wears your favorite schools uniform.

You obviously think the loyalty of the fans is pinned to the school colors over the quality of the product on the field. How many track meets did you go to last year ? Mens Golf events ? Woman Sporting events?

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You are either 80 years old or ignorant to college life. Off campus living can give a rent stipend of $1200 ($1200 a normal student doesn't get). Split rent 3 ways and the player nets an $800 profit to spend as he pleases. Most athletes can find 2 people to pay $600 a piece in order to be the wingman for a football player. Auburn kids are getting an additional $600 per month cost of attending stipend. They can pay for whatever they need to (cell phone plans, car insurance). This is money that normal students do not get.



No, the normal student usually has things paid for by their parents. I have a child in College and I know exactly the cost. Rent on average is $600, throw in electricity and water and then three meals per day. What ever is left would not compensate for the risk of CTE effects the rest of your life. These are not normal students and they do not have the same risks of normal students. Ask any former football player at the SEC Level, I would say 90% of them have had multiple surgeries as a result of their playing. How many average student can say that as a result of going to college ?

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My reference of the military academies is that they pay every student (not student athletes) to attend their college. Their kids are not rich. But they aren't the typical broke student either.



Service Academy students are told what to do, where to be and for how long. They do not have a lot of discretionary time to spend their money. Dating and partying is limited. My point is the military will pay for Serviceman to attend College while their on Active Duty and afterwards. They will be paid a salary while doing it and while on active duty they will have their health care paid for. A lot better alternative than your claim that College Football players are justly compensated for having their heads scrambled for the good ole State U.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:17 pm to
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This includes Scholarship, travel expenses, athletic facilities, equipment, nutritional expenses, and general operating expenses. It doesn't include coaches salaries.

I'm pretty positive that most people here have no idea what a scholarship entails. Let me break this bullshite down to you because none of this shite is a benefit.

Who the hell would ever claim that travel expenses are a benefit to the student athlete when the school is arranging the travel so that they can have their underpaid athletes/workers/sweatshop perform? If your company paid to have you fly to California to make a presentation on the companies behalf, is that a benefit to you or to the fricking company? Stop the dumb shite.

If your company had a cafeteria and a weight room. Is that your benefit or their benefit that you don't have to leave the facility to eat and you can stay healthy (or in this case bulk up) and work harder???

Do you really want me to believe that these schools that bulk these kids up, have them on supplements, now want to say that this is a fricking benefit? That's like a horse breeder, saying that the cost to breed is a benefit to the fricking horse???

Free education? That's bullshite. You are going to work your arse off. Your education is going to take a big hit as a result. Very few guys can get their education in 4 years while playing. So, who pays once the scholarship is gone? That same athlete who brought a shite load of money to the school will have to pay to complete their education. Who will pay the doctor bills 20 years later when that same athlete has arthritis, neural disorders, memory loss, bone loss? Please name me ONE athlete that got a job break because they played football? That's a fricking fallacy.

If you're not playing, the alumni don't give a shite. Why don't we have a "Where are they now", thread. Some of you would be shocked to know where your star players are today. It's not a pretty sight but you don't care to look.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:27 pm to
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I would say 90% of them have had multiple surgeries as a result of their playing. How many average student can say that as a result of going to college ?

I've had 4 surgeries in the last 5 years all a result of college football. UF has not paid a damn dime nor do they bare any responsibility. I've had to come out of my pocket for each one. I have short term memory loss and have to take pain medication just to function. All due to football. I don't blame the university because I love the school and would do it again in a heart beat but when I see threads like this, it pisses me off. I don't think the university owes me anything, but for anyone to think that athletes are OVER paid or given a FREE ride, they don't know the frick they're talking about.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64549 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:33 pm to
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What exactly does this mean?Dormitories?Practice facilities?
Weight room?Academic centers for athletes?

I’m guessing it means the overhead costs which I’m sure are very expensive
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:36 pm to
That is exactly what am talking about. I have known many in your situation and like you they do not hold any animosity toward the schools or sport. Too many people are like the poster, they would love to trade their college experience for those of pampered athletes, but they never see the effects of that lifestyle.
Posted by TrendingRight
Mentone
Member since Jul 2017
619 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:38 pm to
I love the new Tax Law. It lowered corporate taxes from 35% to 21%. The law really helps small business owners. But it did hurt charitable giving in many cases. Alumni contributions are no longer wholly tax deductible. Anyone with an average middle-class income wouldn't be able to write off the deduction and would end up paying more to give the same amount. If that makes any sense.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11455 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:43 pm to
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$500k for the football players, maybe. Email them back and ask what the costs of the women’s swim team are.



Yet the women's swim team gets 14 scholarships TOTAL. As the father of competitive swimmers, I get a bit pissed off at this and the baseball scholarship thing, etc. Hey, everyone knows that football pays the bills, I got no problem with that. They should get the money they deserve. What I'm bitching about is how the minor and Olympic sports get the crumbs left from the football table. If you compete in an NCAA sport, you should have to provide enough scholarships for a full roster in every sport.
Posted by Dave1999
Member since Apr 2016
289 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:44 pm to
My guess is that while you may feel your former school owes you nothing,
there are other athletes who feel differently. One good class action lawsuit
could put all college sports on the chopping block.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17902 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:12 pm to
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Yeah, because the womens swims team rakes in as much revenue as the football progam.

Can you really put a price on dominating the olympic medal count though?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25588 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:35 pm to
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Very few guys can get their education in 4 years while playing.


Actually, most student athletes who enroll year round get their degree in under 4 years. Unless you change your major or fail classes, it is hard not to get a degree in under 4 years with the required coarseload.

Any athlete who doesn't get their degree under 4 years is probably not made for college and doesn't care that he/she is not made for college. The degree has to mean something, and that is where the ol' college try has to come in.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25588 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:47 pm to
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How many Fans are going to pay $125 per ticket plus extra expenses to watch "Joe Blow Average Athlete" play a sport just because he wears your favorite schools uniform.

Hundreds of thousands more than will pay to watch better players at a semi-pro game.
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No, the normal student usually has things paid for by their parents.

Looks like you are changing the subject. And you are still wrong. Student loans pay the majority of college expenses. The 2nd most is covered by scholarships. 3rd most would be parents.
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Service Academy students are told what to do, where to be and for how long. They do not have a lot of discretionary time to spend their money. Dating and partying is limited. My point is the military will pay for Serviceman to attend College while their on Active Duty and afterwards. They will be paid a salary while doing it and while on active duty they will have their health care paid for.
I don't disagree with anything. But the only reason I brought up the academies is that the entire student body gets compensated. For ncaa div1 football players, they are better compensated (tax free stipends can put more in the athletes pocket than a college job in a college town competing in a labor force against 30,000 of your closest friends).
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A lot better alternative than your claim that College Football players are justly compensated

I never used the words justly compensated. Just is in the eyes of the beholder. If a kid thinks he is worth more, then he should hold out and demand more. Good luck staying eligible as an amateur athlete.

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for having their heads scrambled for the good ole State U


Again, you are changing the subject. The way you are turning this thread, foosball should be outlawed as it is the devil.

It is like smoking. No one is dumb. The risk is evident. Make your own bed and lie in it.
If that is crass and a poor attitude, then lobby to outlaw football for public safety and concern. It wouldn't be the first time in history that football has been banned for safety.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20491 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:48 pm to
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Who the hell would ever claim that travel expenses are a benefit to the student athlete


What the frick are you talking about?

The OP was about the cost of funding a goddamn athletic program and why donations are solicited. NOT about it being a benefit to the athlete.

Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:20 pm to
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Hundreds of thousands more than will pay to watch better players at a semi-pro game.


I doubt there is a semi-pro team that could beat any Power 5 Team.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:21 pm to
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What the frick are you talking about?

The OP was about the cost of funding a goddamn athletic program and why donations are solicited. NOT about it being a benefit to the athlete.



Read the OP:
ust got an email from the Crimson Tide Foundation asking for more donations. In the email it shows how much it cost for a student-athlete.

"This includes Scholarship, travel expenses, athletic facilities, equipment, nutritional expenses, and general operating expenses.
It doesn't include coaches salaries. "
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25588 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:41 pm to
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I doubt there is a semi-pro team that could beat any Power 5 Team.


That is probably because the kids going to college at a P5 school think their deal is just and fair. If they didnt, they are always welcome to the alternatives (semi-pro or cfl)
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:45 pm to
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That is probably because the kids going to college at a P5 school think their deal is just and fair. If they didnt, they are always welcome to the alternatives (semi-pro or cfl)


Yea, they are going to turn down a scholarship to take a position with a semi-pro team making $250 a game.


These are what most of those players are like:
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 10:49 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20491 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:35 am to
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Read the OP:
ust got an email from the Crimson Tide Foundation asking for more donations. In the email it shows how much it cost for a student-athlete.

"This includes Scholarship, travel expenses, athletic facilities, equipment, nutritional expenses, and general operating expenses.
It doesn't include coaches salaries. "



I got the same email. It is specifically about the cost involved in running an athletic department.

Despite the rambling wall of text by the cluless Gator4lyfe, it does not claim that travel, etc. are benefits.

It's sole purpose is to point out that athletic departments are expensive to run and include many categories. Oh, and by the way, we'd appreciate some contributions to help all this out.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 12:37 am
Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
Member since Jan 2018
9234 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:39 am to
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I doubt there is a semi-pro team that could beat any Power 5 Team.


Screw the age old, ridiculous question as to whether a college team or combination of college teams could beat an NFL team. IMO this one is interesting.
Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
Member since Jan 2018
9234 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:46 am to
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That is probably because the kids going to college at a P5 school think their deal is just and fair. If they didnt, they are always welcome to the alternatives (semi-pro or cfl)


Thinking college athletics is a better deal doesn’t equate to thinking it’s just and fair.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:34 am to
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That is probably because the kids going to college at a P5 school think their deal is just and fair. If they didnt, they are always welcome to the alternatives (semi-pro or cfl)


Kids and their parents probably think it's just and fair. Im sure most sit at the table, and look at their options thinking college ball is best. All options for an 18 yo kid have pros and cons.

Miltary - money, great career, but potential for range of injuries to death.

Stay home and work at the local factory, fast food joint, or wally world, etc. Pros - money, and freedom. Cons - lack of experiences traveling or just simply "getting away" to have life experiences to grow as a person.

Stay home. Live off welfare. Join gangs. Do drugs. Higher chances of jail in a life. Etc.

People are leaving out this is a choice the kids/parents make. Colleges offer an option. If the terms are not acceptable then pick any other option available, and best of luck to you.

Side note: I'm not for paying players, but I would say that the ncaa/schools finding a way to help some (not fully cover) with some health care needs would be an interesting conversation I would support. I see a lot of mess, costs, etc, but at least looking at it.
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