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re: $126,935 is the average annual cost of a Student-Athlete at Alabama.

Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:15 pm to
The average is less than 2%. So saying the players are well reimbursed for what they bring into the University is a joke. Let’s not just talk about the bottom line numbers, include the PR aspect.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:27 pm to
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Funny the first 5 times in this thread.....unfortunately not the 6th.


But it is 85 chargers. You've got 78 more times to go.
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:29 pm to
Schools set the price. It's inflated imo
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:47 pm to
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The average is less than 2%. So saying the players are well reimbursed for what they bring into the University is a joke. Let’s not just talk about the bottom line numbers, include the PR aspect.


Agree to disagree.

If the entire world thinks these kids are worth more, how in the hell has no one offered them jobs for less?
Posted by harmonics
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:00 pm to
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Email them back and ask what the costs of the women’s swim team are.


Yeah, because the womens swims team rakes in as much revenue as the football progam.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:05 pm to
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Agree to disagree.

If the entire world thinks these kids are worth more, how in the hell has no one offered them jobs for less?




For one thing, the Universities have a monopoly on College Football. They set the price for what the Players get from a scholarship. If there was competition from another organization, that price would be a lot higher. The NCAA falls under the guise of an amateur organization, they list athletes that way so they can justify not paying the players at a market rate, based on claiming they are just like other students.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 4:01 pm
Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:06 pm to
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Not that they have to be paid, but that they can be. Don't make a rule that prevents people from getting their market value.

Don't you believe in freedom and the free market?


So we are gonna scrap title 9?
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:10 pm to
Name, likeness and image are the sole property of the individual. If they want to sell it, they should be able to. NC double assholes be damned.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:33 pm to
This is why I'll never, ever be a fan of schools paying players. You're there to go to school, play football, and work towards a degree. The school doesn't owe you anything beyond that.

However, I fully agree that athletes should be able to capitalize on their own image. Why can't they make some $$ off some signatures or jersey sales? To me, that's where the complaint should be and focus made with change.
Posted by BurgTiger
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:47 pm to
Does this include the signing Bonus your boosters give your players on signing day?
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:51 pm to
How many Chargers does that buy?
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:31 pm to
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For one thing, the Universities have a monopoly on College Football. They set the price for what the Players get from a scholarship. If there was competition from another organization, that price would be a lot higher. The NCAA falls under the guise of an amateur organization, they list athletes that way so they can justify not paying the players at a market rate, based on claiming they are just like other students.


For one thing, you are wrong.
College kids play college kids.
High school kids play high school kids.
Middle school kids play middle school kids.

If you are setting a value on these kids as athletes, you are fooling yourself because that value is only relevant to the level of football that they play in.
If they move up, they offer little to no value.

The entire idea of market value is BS because it is only relevant to who they play. That is why the NFL doesn't want to babysit teenagers. The same for the CFL.

If there is only one reason why these kids hold value and that value is amateur athletics, then they can choose to play amateur athletics or not.

And they choose to because it covers education. Covers room and board. Covers healthcare. They get stipends for cost of attending. They get stipends for living off campus. They can get other grants and subsidies reserved for college students. Unlike any college student outside of the military academies, they are not hurting for cash (unless they don't know how to spend).
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:40 pm to
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The OP doesn't say "benefit". It says "cost". That's why they are asking for donations.


The OP specifically referenced “what a scholarship is worth”. This would imply the number references the worth to a student athlete. Who else would it provide “worth”?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:42 pm to
I thought I saw a revenue and profit thread earlier. Was that a lie?
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 5:03 pm to
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If you are setting a value on these kids as athletes, you are fooling yourself because that value is only relevant to the level of football that they play in.


First of all, the competition and skills increases as they move up each level. The market value for a HS player may be a good lay after the game Friday night. Are fans going to pay $125 per ticket or is TV going to put major production cost in showing these games ? No because the level of skills has establish the market value for these players as low.

As the system culls the poorer athletes at the next level (College Football), the market value of these player increase due to increased demand for TV and Ticket revenue. Then the culling really kicks in at the highest level which results in the largest market value for the players.

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The entire idea of market value is BS because it is only relevant to who they play. That is why the NFL doesn't want to babysit teenagers. The same for the CFL.


Tell that to the NBA or MLB.

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And they choose to because it covers education. Covers room and board. Covers healthcare. They get stipends for cost of attending. They get stipends for living off campus. They can get other grants and subsidies reserved for college students. Unlike any college student outside of the military academ


Tell us what these stipends pay for and then tell us how much is left over after all the costs are added up. Then compare those cost to Universities profit from Football and Basketball (P5). How many of these kids are sending some of that money home to help their families ? Yes, these kids have it made.

Every one of these Players that will not play Pro Sports would be better off joining the Military and taking advantage of the benefits they give Serviceman today (Education, room and Board, Healthcare and a stipend). The risk for war are going to be about the same for the longterm risks of CTE before it is over. At least the VA/DOD acknowledges those risks and tries to compensate for them.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 5:04 pm
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 5:12 pm to
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Tell that to the NBA or MLB.


Both sports are markedly different physically than football. That said, there are 30 MLB teams with 25 man rosters (before the 40 man post-season roster). That's 750 MLB players. How many were teenagers? It will likely be less than 1%.

NBA has a requirement minimum of 13 players on a roster (12 active and 1 inactive). The average is 14 players. 30 teams making it 420 players in NBA. I'd bet less than 3% are teenagers.

I get where you're trying to go, but it isn't comparable in football to basketball & baseball.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 5:27 pm to
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Both sports are markedly different physically than football. That said, there are 30 MLB teams with 25 man rosters (before the 40 man post-season roster). That's 750 MLB players. How many were teenagers? It will likely be less than 1%.


Now throw in the Farm Systems and other leagues. College Football is the NFLs Farm System.

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NBA has a requirement minimum of 13 players on a roster (12 active and 1 inactive). The average is 14 players. 30 teams making it 420 players in NBA. I'd bet less than 3% are teenagers.



That is because of the competition and the restrictions of Drafting players into the NBA until they are at least one year out of HS (18 years old). If the owners could put out a product that had enough quality to draw viewers, they would not care how old they are (thus the market value of the players).

It is all the same. The cost are all proportional to the consumer based on the level of talent put on the field.
Posted by gatorwrestler
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2009
114 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 5:30 pm to
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Just thought it was interesting to see an actual number put out on what a scholarship is worth. ~$500,000 over 4 years.



But also interesting to note that this doesn’t equate to compensation.

Hypothetically, if my employer pays me $130k as an engineer, it typically costs them nearly $200k to employ me. Then plan another $100k in travel and discretionary spending to do the job...

That’s the cost but not the value or worth to me.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 6:14 pm to
Complete bullshite.

The cost of tuition, food and board isn't even near half that amount. If they foolish enough to add the calculations of the cost of using facilities for training, practices and travel... that would be the most moronic thing I have ever read.

Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25589 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 6:17 pm to
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As the system culls the poorer athletes at the next level (College Football), the market value of these player increase due to increased demand for TV and Ticket revenue. Then the culling really kicks in at the highest level which results in the largest market value for the players.


That is wrong for 2 reasons.
Free market only pays NFL, CFL, and semi-pro football players. There is no free market value for middle school, high school (if a school is sleeping with the hs qb, we have serious issues), or college. The free market means that middle school to college players have to compete against NFL, CFL, and semi pro football players for jobs. You should be able to know that the market value is zero or close to zero (semi pro) for these student athletes.

Second... you are confusing the market value of college football with the market value of college football players. When you remove the college, there is no TV market. There is an extreme loyalty to colleges. High school players don't qualify for a college. College players get kicked out. Junior college ratings with these same players do not follow the college ratings because of school loyalty. There is no doubt that the loyalty is to the school. If UGA signs the #1 recruiting class or #40 recruiting class, I am a UGA fan. Former players and other alumni will still be UGA fans regardless of the recruits.
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Tell that to the NBA or MLB.
nobody wants to babysit teenagers. Both the NBA and MLB have rules specifically designed to limit and reduce teenagers in their employment. The gains do not equal the hassles for a free market approach.
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Tell us what these stipends pay

You are either 80 years old or ignorant to college life. Off campus living can give a rent stipend of $1200 ($1200 a normal student doesn't get). Split rent 3 ways and the player nets an $800 profit to spend as he pleases. Most athletes can find 2 people to pay $600 a piece in order to be the wingman for a football player. Many times, the student athlete can pocket the full rent stipend with roommates.

Auburn kids are getting an additional $500 per month cost of attending stipend. They can pay for whatever they need/want to (cell phone plans, car insurance). This is money that normal students do not get.

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How many of these kids are sending some of that money home to help their families ?
that's the beautiful thing about a stipend that doesn't have a bill attached to it. They can send money home if they choose. Put these kids in semi-pro football and they have to pay for their own food, their own housing, and their own healthcare. There is no discretionary money for what the free market will pay these kids.

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Every one of these Players that will not play Pro Sports would be better off joining the Military

This is such a blind, arbitrary statement. I don't know what to do with it. The military is great for some. College is great for others. You must not use your college education to be so dismissive of a college education. That may be typical for Aubies.

My reference of the military academies is that they pay every student (not student athletes like the ncaa permits with these stipends) to attend their college. Their kids are not rich. But they aren't the typical broke student either. They are getting a young taste of earning a living.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 6:30 pm
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