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re: 11 greatest dynasties in the SEC

Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:17 pm to
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:17 pm to
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ack then Southern Conference had Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi State, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Washington & Lee. In 1922, six more universities - Florida, LSU, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tulane, and Vanderbilt joined. it was like SEC on steroids,



how many conference games a year?

how many integrated teams?

how many teams that would look skilled or well coached by today's standards?
Posted by bamaboy87
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:19 pm to
Why the hell does that matter? It was the way football was back then. The way/rules/players changing doesn't change the fact that the games still happened
Posted by Jaketigger
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:20 pm to
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how many conference games a year?

how many integrated teams?

how many teams that would look skilled or well coached by today's standards?

fully agree. they won't answer any of those questions.
all are VERY relevant.
I argue FOR the BCS over the voting the way it used to be any day and on Sunday. the only thing that would be better would be using the 4 BCS Bowls as a playoff and having 1 extra game - eight team play-off. BUT they have to get the shite right with the smaller conferences playing in those games. there has to be a SoS component that is important otherwise we will keep having this argument about why this team or that team didn't get into one of those bowl games.
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:22 pm to
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Neither was the Alabama team you just fawned over.

I didn't just fawn over them. I didn't even say they were the best from 25-34 or whatever that was. I was just saying it doesn't really make sense to just label them the best dynasty in SEC history. I'll take Neyland over Wade, Thomas, etc., and he had a highly successful tenure as the coach at Tennessee by just about every standard, but I can't pretend his run was as impressive as the run Bryant had.
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 8:32 pm
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:26 pm to
1) the OP was a comment on dynasties in teh SEC... but somehow tries to include teams that were not in the SEC

2) it was a rebuttal to him... which in turn was a response to my post - My comment was essentially the level of play has been considerably elevated now compared to what it was in teh early 20th century (and probably substantially since even the 80s)

The SEC today is a beast... FFS we've just had five consecutive NCs come from the SEC.

We devote enormous resources to the training and facilities for today's football players.

We have full time coaches earning millions of dollars working pretty much year round with players who are generally physically superior and also working year round (with the hope of making millions of dollars)... as the stakes have steadily grown teh level of competition and play have similarly improved

Plus, in years gone by it was a lot easier for the name programs to hoard players and keep them from going to teh second or third tier schools... today you can't do that... they show up on other rosters
Posted by bamaboy87
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:28 pm to
Oh don't get me wrong I understand what you're saying. I understand about trying to use a timeframe when the SEC didn't even exist. But a lot of people think that football from back then is not relevant because of how much it's changed. That's what my response is about mostly
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:29 pm to
i think arkansas probably has the greatest claim to a dynasty in the sec.
Posted by Jaketigger
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:30 pm to
I am waiting on them to post to my reply about start at 1980 and do this "dynasty" analysis.
I would vote UF has the edge over all other SEC schools.
Their only real lean years were the first part of the 80's after that they have been $$$$.
Posted by bamaboy87
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:31 pm to
I don't think anyone will deny that florida has been the dominant team in the SEC since the 90's. I honestly can't say I know much about them in the 80's though
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:32 pm to


well, it's interesting... but not the same game at all

not integrated, fewer conference games, didn't have different squads for different units, didn't have tape study and training like today

it's cool stuff if you like visiting the basketball hall of fame to see the Minneapolis Lakers... but those old trophies are really not from teh same game as we see on the field today
Posted by Jaketigger
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:38 pm to
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i think arkansas probably has the greatest claim to a dynasty in the sec

which is? What I posted on T&F? If that is what you are referring to LSU would be right there with ya.
So lets see. Can we break this down by sport.
Arky Men T&F,
LSU Women T&F
UK Basketball Men
TENN Basketball women
LSU Baseball
UGA Gymnastics
AU Swimming&Diving Men
AU Swimming and Diving Women
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:41 pm to
yea i was referring to track and field. that looks great, i didn't know lsu was that good at track and field, in fact i know nothing about track and field cept we usually dominate.
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:42 pm to
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not integrated, fewer conference games, didn't have different squads for different units, didn't have tape study and training like today

The game will always be changing. It doesn't seem fair to discount older accomplishments.
Posted by Jaketigger
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:46 pm to
A definition of a Dynasty is dominating your sport over a given period of time - See UCLA Basketball for example.
In the last 30 years all college sports have changed so much that it is extremely difficult to be dominant in any sport on that level.
LSU Baseball over 10 years winning 5 NCAA champoinships is dominating its sport. UF Football as you point out over the alst 20 years has dominated college football winning 3 MNC and being a consistent top 5 program. They are the team that everyone else is measuring themselve against in our conference.
We will see what the next 10 years bring. maybe Muschamp can bring that back this year....
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:47 pm to
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The game will always be changing. It doesn't seem fair to discount older accomplishments.



the game will always be changing... but unless you think princeton and yale are two of the greatest football programs in history... most of us no longer consider the older records as being relevant

for the reasons already mentioned
Posted by Crompdaddy8
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:49 pm to
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1) the OP was a comment on dynasties in teh SEC... but somehow tries to include teams that were not in the SEC


ALL of 11 teams listed played in the SEC. 1925-1934 Alabama and Tennessee teams played in a time when there was a transition from the Southern conference(pretty much same as SEC and included all SEC teams) and the Southeastern conference. but still played in the SEC (1932-1934).
Bama's teams from other periods and Tennessee team from the 70's and 90's made the .800 club as well.

is it harder to reach the .800 club today? Saban's Alabama team and Meyer+Muschamp's UF team(if Muschamp doesn't screw up) will get there, as well as numerous other programs outside of the SEC. as for arguing today's team vs the past of course today's team will kill the all-white 1926 team. but championships and undefeated teams were still hard to come by even back then, and the fact that it has only happened 11 times in entire history is a proof of that.
nothing wrong with Bammers being proud of Bear Bryant days and UT fans respecting General Neyland.






Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:54 pm to
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ALL of 11 teams listed played in the SEC.



ORLY?

quote:

1925-1934 Alabama and Tennessee teams played in a time when there was a transition from the Southern conference(pretty much same as SEC and included all SEC teams)


O IC NOT RLY
Posted by Crompdaddy8
Jimmy Rustler
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:55 pm to
they played in the SEC from 1932-1934.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:55 pm to
wow, that's quite a dynasty... three years max?
Posted by Crompdaddy8
Jimmy Rustler
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:58 pm to
same shiet, same teams, just different conference name during those times from 1926-1932.
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