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re: 11 greatest dynasties in the SEC
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:56 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:56 am to RollTide1987
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molsusports seems to be saying that any accomplishments that occurred pre-1998 in football shouldn't be counted.
So, is he saying that the 1958 national championship doesn't count?
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Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:17 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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1979
can't count 79. split with Sc as I recall.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:20 pm to jatebe
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So, is he saying that the 1958 national championship doesn't count?
What he is saying at least the BCS has made it more reasonable than just having a name and someone voting. there have been undefeated teams that played harder schedules and not won. So yes throw everything out pre BCS until you get a play-off.
At least with the BCS they consider SoS where before it, it played little part - see Doug Fluties BC team.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:22 pm to Jaketigger
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What he is saying at least the BCS has made it more reasonable than just having a name and someone voting. there have been undefeated teams that played harder schedules and not won. So yes throw everything out pre BCS until you get a play-off.
At least with the BCS they consider SoS where before it, it played little part - see Doug Fluties BC team.
Instead they have a computer spitting out 2 teams.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:27 pm to CarrytheFight
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Instead they have a computer spitting out 2 teams.
less than a thrid of the formula from what I remember reading. Coaches vote at least.
ranking on order of preference by most fans.
1. 8 team playoff
2. bcs
3. crap before BCS
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:28 pm to Jaketigger
It was 1978 we split. And yes we can count it
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:29 pm to Jaketigger
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less than a thrid of the formula from what I remember reading. Coaches vote at least.
ranking on order of preference by most fans.
1. 8 team playoff
2. bcs
3. crap before BCS
You were acting like it is some dramatic improvement and we should discard everything before. It is a slight improvement at best.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:36 pm to CarrytheFight
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It is a slight improvement at best.
THAN THE MEDiA VOTING! WTF?
Make a 8 team playoff out of the BCS Bowl games then add one more game. It is at least fair compared to this crap. Here is TCU not playing last season after EVERYONE, including me< thought Wisconsin was the best team at the end of the season.
Geez.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 12:13 am to Jaketigger
I don't trust anyting that doesn't have a brain. The media doesn't even factor into the BCS...you have the Coaches Poll and the Legends Poll - none of which watch all of the games.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 12:32 am to Crompdaddy8
Wow, who knew Tennessee would be near, or at the top, of this illustrious list of awesomeness. I certainly had no clue when I opened this thread, that this would be the case. Dude even tried to fake me out with the "another" poster already posted this earlier, so don't blame me angle.
I've been to knoxville, seen what "Vol" football is supposed to be about....Go FY. You suck. Thank You.
I've been to knoxville, seen what "Vol" football is supposed to be about....Go FY. You suck. Thank You.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 12:57 am to Jaketigger
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can't count 79. split with Sc as I recall.
Oh yes we can count that. Major polls AP and UPI started in 1936. Per the major polls, Bama won the national championship -
1961 AP and UPI
1964 AP and UPI
1965 AP (Michigan St. won UPI)
1973 UPI (Notre Dame won AP)
1978 AP (USC won UPI)
1979 AP and UPI
1992 AP, UPI/1st Bowl Coalition
2009 AP, UPI/BCS
And this doesn't count our pre poll era national championships.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 1:27 am to jatebe
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molsusports seems to be saying that any accomplishments that occurred pre-1998 in football shouldn't be counted.
So, is he saying that the 1958 national championship doesn't count?
1) never said anything like that
2) pointed out the OP was ridiculous/retarded for including teams and games from before teh SEC was created... when the thread is titled greatest dynasties in teh SEC
3) agree that old seasons like 1958 are interesting but have nothing much to do with modern college football... because the game was pretty different w/o integration, separate squads for off/def, less/no tape study and year round training etc
Modern college football probably started around teh time of integration IMO.
And oh yeah, bagged on UT for not being all that good anymore... esp because I don't care for one or two UT morons
Posted on 3/4/11 at 4:39 pm to jatebe
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1992 AP, UPI/1st Bowl Coalition
2009 AP, UPI/BCS
I count these.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 5:07 pm to Jaketigger
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I count these.
So football was invented in 1992.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 5:15 pm to jatebe
quote:The OP went back to the 20's. NONE of us beleive that the game is even close to being worth anything until the mid to late 70's and really 1980's. Until the 90's there were maybe 6 significant bowls. Sugar, cotton, rose, orange 1st tier
So football was invented in 1992
then sun, gator and tangerine. Anything else was really bad.
There was no internet, media was limited to just 3 channels exept in larger cities until 1980, etc.
Popularity, media, allowed for the growth that we have today AND more importantly the KNOWLEDGE by people voting, much less the SoS arguments that have always existed.
With that said, you get a better overall view of teams today than ever before - see youtube for example.
In direct conflict to what you think, the UPI and AP didn't see ALL OF TH GAMES. In fact they saw what you saw, regional games IF any and this made voting biased based on what name the school had and not how good they really were.
So while some on here hate the BCS, I think it is much better than what we had before, BUT believe an 8 team playoff would be better yet.
Yes, I know someone will always feel left out, but that is about as fair as you can get it with how long the season is already and the stress it puts on these STUDENT-ATHLETES!
This post was edited on 3/4/11 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 3/4/11 at 5:17 pm to RollTide1987
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The media doesn't even factor into the BCS...you have the Coaches Poll and the Legends Poll - none of which watch all of the games.
Neither does the media... They don't watch all of these games. get real. there is a human element and will always be one, but i trust coaches better than I do people who never played football.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 5:23 pm to Jaketigger
Final AP Poll
1 Auburn (56) 14-0 1472
2 TCU (3) 13-0 1392
3 Oregon 12-1 1379
4 Stanford 12-1 1300
5 Ohio State 12-1 1220
6 Oklahoma 12-2 1108
7 Wisconsin 11-2 1055
8 LSU 11-2 1051
9 Boise State 12-1 1031
10 Alabama 10-3 961
Final USA Today/Coaches Poll
1 Auburn (56) 14-0 1424
2 TCU (1) 13-0 1336
3 Oregon 12-1 1333
4 Stanford 12-1 1254
5 Ohio State 12-1 1197
6 Oklahoma 12-2 1096
7 Boise State 12-1 1012
8 LSU 11-2 1007
8 Wisconsin 11-2 1007
10 Oklahoma State 11-2 883
11 Alabama 10-3 860
1 Auburn (56) 14-0 1472
2 TCU (3) 13-0 1392
3 Oregon 12-1 1379
4 Stanford 12-1 1300
5 Ohio State 12-1 1220
6 Oklahoma 12-2 1108
7 Wisconsin 11-2 1055
8 LSU 11-2 1051
9 Boise State 12-1 1031
10 Alabama 10-3 961
Final USA Today/Coaches Poll
1 Auburn (56) 14-0 1424
2 TCU (1) 13-0 1336
3 Oregon 12-1 1333
4 Stanford 12-1 1254
5 Ohio State 12-1 1197
6 Oklahoma 12-2 1096
7 Boise State 12-1 1012
8 LSU 11-2 1007
8 Wisconsin 11-2 1007
10 Oklahoma State 11-2 883
11 Alabama 10-3 860
Posted on 3/4/11 at 5:26 pm to Jaketigger
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The OP went back to the 20's. NONE of us beleive that the game is even close to being worth anything until the mid to late 70's and really 1980's.
Says you. Without the 20s and 30s there wouldn't have been football in the 90s. You can't get from A to C without going through B. The game has to evolve from something.
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Until the 90's there were maybe 6 significant bowls.
And now there are 4 significant bowls plus a national championship game. All the other bowl games are pretty much meaningless.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 5:31 pm to Jaketigger
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Neither does the media... They don't watch all of these games.
The media watches a hell of a lot more games than the coaches.
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but i trust coaches better than I do people who never played football.
Gary Danielson, Lou Holtz, Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreit, Jesse Palmer, Desmond Howard, Andre Ware, Todd Blackledge, etc. all either played college football, coached college football, or did both before they became members of the media.
In fact, a vast majority of the media members who cover college football for ESPN - the network which influences opinion on college football more than any other - played or coached college football before they joined the network.
This post was edited on 3/4/11 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 3/4/11 at 5:34 pm to Jaketigger
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Jaketigger
This one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Football started in the mid to late 70's? Sounds to me like you just wanna take out any years in which LSU wasnt relevant. Football has been around MANY years, and has been worth plenty. The 40's and 50's defined football as we know it. There has been very little change since then other than trending back and forth between run heavy, pass heavy, big slow defense, small fast defense, etc. Saying that all those years dont matter is ignorance to the nth degree.
Edit to respond to later post: You realize that most coaches hand their ballots to their coaching assistant to fill out right? They are busy doing more important things, like coaching thair football teams.
This post was edited on 3/4/11 at 5:39 pm
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