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re: Time for Durkin to go
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:21 pm to arsewipe
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:21 pm to arsewipe
Kiffin has the luxury to have his Dad advising him. I would suspect Monte has forgotten more about Defenses than most of us all combined. He will tell Lane if DJ can build something or not. But I like the idea of bringing more heat because the 3 DL pass rush is about worthless.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:27 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Then again these somewhat new wave offenses could quite possibly be over the head of a man in his 80s who’s most likely never devised a plan to stop said offenses. Just sayin… Also, if you are an O coordinator you also know the weakness and the very best chance at stopping these offenses.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:56 pm to Insideradvantage
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Then again these somewhat new wave offenses could quite possibly be over the head of a man in his 80s who’s most likely never devised a plan to stop said offenses. Just sayin… Also, if you are an O coordinator you also know the weakness and the very best chance at stopping these offenses.
Reading comprehension is fundamental…..where did I say Monte would formulate a plan to stop “new wave offenses”? Go back and re-read then comment!
Posted on 10/12/21 at 3:45 am to arsewipe
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I get that it's not easy to switch in the middle of a season. I don't think that is a viable option. At this point I'm guessing we are just going to let Durkin ride it out and evaluate at the end of the season. And yes, I know that we don't have a lot of talent.
However, as someone previously mentioned, my frustration lies in the fact that we line up in basically the same look almost every play and repeatedly take it in the mouth. We rarely blitz. We have three undersized lineman taking on the entire O line basically every play, which in turn leads to getting our backers blocked. I would like to see us be more aggressive because at this point we have nothing to lose. I'd rather see us die climbing than just sitting back, playing vanilla defense and hoping Chance can get a strip. Like Kiffin said we already know the other team will score most likely. Why not put some pressure on them and force them into a mistake?
We don't have to change our defense. My previous posts were more a product of my frustration after Saturday. I think it would be dumb to fire durkin in the middle of the season. But I would like to see us at least try to be more aggressive. Have keys on the field and walk him down to the line more often. He knocked the ever living shite out of Alabamas starting guard a few weeks ago. Send some of our DBs on slot blitzes. I don't have a perfect answer but at this point we know at least something has to change.
Bottom line it is immensely frustrating that we are almost wasting the insane talent we have on offense with a shitty defense. We won't have another corral for a long time. If we had lost the game Saturday, would of us feel different? Because we almost did.
Agree with all of this. I noticed on the very first drive we'd have a guy just sitting back on his heels instead of initiating contact on the runner. He would get dragged 4 yards downfield every single time.
And it wasn't just one defender doing that. It was anyone in the 2nd level. Just playing on their heels and waiting for the play to come to them. The whole reason for having 6 people in the secondary is so we can play aggressively.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:47 pm to pankReb
We can discuss defensive particulars forever. I'm of the belief that neither I nor anyone on this board possesses even a small percentage of football knowledge of men who coach at the highest levels. IMO there is absolutely nothing any of us could tell Kiffin or Durkin that they don't already know and haven't discussed a hundred times. My point is very specific and has nothing to do with trying to advise the men who do football for a living.
As of today, the Ole Miss defense ranks 106 in rushing defense and 83 in passing defense. That's out of 125 FBS teams. Some may say, "yeah, but those are raw stats, and Ole Miss plays much better competition than many of those other teams." To that I reply, "Not yet." The Rebs have played 5 games and only TWO against ranked SEC teams. In other words, 106 and 83 are very likely the "high points" for the Ole Miss defense, given the tough part of the season is just starting.
So, for me at least, the question is this: Are we to believe that Ole Miss's defensive talent - so thoroughly maligned over the past few years - is REALLY 106th and 83rd nationally?
Not a chance in he!!. A LOT of it is coaching. I couldn't care less what scheme they're running.
As of today, the Ole Miss defense ranks 106 in rushing defense and 83 in passing defense. That's out of 125 FBS teams. Some may say, "yeah, but those are raw stats, and Ole Miss plays much better competition than many of those other teams." To that I reply, "Not yet." The Rebs have played 5 games and only TWO against ranked SEC teams. In other words, 106 and 83 are very likely the "high points" for the Ole Miss defense, given the tough part of the season is just starting.
So, for me at least, the question is this: Are we to believe that Ole Miss's defensive talent - so thoroughly maligned over the past few years - is REALLY 106th and 83rd nationally?
Not a chance in he!!. A LOT of it is coaching. I couldn't care less what scheme they're running.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:51 pm to jakesnake66
Considering that our DBs simply let the WR catch the ball and then try to tackle them, I don't see why having so many of them on the field is such a good idea. This 3-2-6 has to go. Get pressure on the QB and make him make mistakes. Stack that box with a 4-4-3. At the least, bring in 2 DBs on a blitz occasionally.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:56 pm to jakesnake66
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Are we to believe that Ole Miss's defensive talent - so thoroughly maligned over the past few years - is REALLY 106th and 83rd nationally?
One of our starting two linebackers is a converted RB and one of our CBs is a converted WR.
So yeah... defensive talent on the team is very bad when 1/2 of that side are starting as 1st yr transfers and two of the rest are converted offensive players.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:39 pm to Landmass
Stack it with who? Look at a depth chart.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:20 pm to Saskwatch
"So yeah... defensive talent on the team is very bad when 1/2 of that side are starting as 1st yr transfers and two of the rest are converted offensive players."
I'm not denying any of this. However, I still don't believe OM's talent is worse than 100 other FBS teams. [as of today the OM D is ranked 101 in total D].
As others have noted, it's tragic that at a time when OM has a legit Heisman contender, the 2nd ranked offense in the nation, as well as the 5th ranked rushing game, we can't field a defense that allows us to take advantage. It's entirely reasonable to speculate that Ole Miss will NEVER field an offense this good again - ever. Matt Corral is a multi-generational QB, and in 7 games from now he's GONE.
I'm not denying any of this. However, I still don't believe OM's talent is worse than 100 other FBS teams. [as of today the OM D is ranked 101 in total D].
As others have noted, it's tragic that at a time when OM has a legit Heisman contender, the 2nd ranked offense in the nation, as well as the 5th ranked rushing game, we can't field a defense that allows us to take advantage. It's entirely reasonable to speculate that Ole Miss will NEVER field an offense this good again - ever. Matt Corral is a multi-generational QB, and in 7 games from now he's GONE.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:32 pm to jakesnake66
In our best years, we seem to field half a team.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:07 pm to jakesnake66
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I'm not denying any of this. However, I still don't believe OM's talent is worse than 100 other FBS teams.
Probably not. You're relying upon pure stats. I bet the gap in talent between our defense and teams we face in our conference is likely larger than just about anyone else.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 6:03 pm to jakesnake66
Our talent is not worse than 100 othe teams but our schedule is harder than 70-80 teams with higher ranked defenses. Houston, Troy, Liberty, SDS, Army and Coastal Carolina are all top 10 in total defense but are in the bottom 13 in SOS.
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Our D would probably be pretty good against 6-0 CC's schedule.
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Our D would probably be pretty good against 6-0 CC's schedule.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 6:47 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Dude, we’re on the same team here. I gathered that’s what you meant and if it wasn’t then I’m not sure what point you were even trying to make. Enjoy the game tomorrow.
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Then again these somewhat new wave offenses could quite possibly be over the head of a man in his 80s who’s most likely never devised a plan to stop said offenses. Just sayin… Also, if you are an O coordinator you also know the weakness and the very best chance at stopping these offenses.
Reading comprehension is fundamental…..where did I say Monte would formulate a plan to stop “new wave offenses”? Go back and re-read then comment!
Posted on 10/16/21 at 5:26 pm to Saskwatch
"Probably not. You're relying upon pure stats. I bet the gap in talent between our defense and teams we face in our conference is likely larger than just about anyone else."
THIS is the key question, IMO. As I stated in a previous post, I'm aware of this issue. Purdue, AZ state, and Air Force defenses are in the top ten - NINETY positions above Ole MIss - for total defense. Does that "prove" their talent is better? I don't know. I'm not even sure how to interpret that. At this point it's all conjecture. But I've been following SEC football since 1975, and without an infallible guru to guide me, I've got to use my own eyes and experience to form some opinions. And IN MY OPINION, it's absolutely ridiculous to assume/conclude that the young men that comprise the Ole Miss defense as a group rank 101st in the nation. For example, Kentucky ranks 18th - more than 80 teams above OM - in total defense. Does anyone really believe Kentucky has been THAT much more successful recruiting defensive players than Ole Miss? Is it even remotely reasonable that Ole Miss would be geniuses at recruiting offensive players (top FIVE in the freakin' nation) but morons when it comes to recruiting players on the other side of the ball? Does that make ANY sense at all???
Two different seasons. Two different defensive schemes. Two different levels of talent. Same coach. Same results. Just how much evidence is needed before Ole Miss fans say, "Perhaps...just maybe...we could get better results with a different DC?"
Before I leave this, someone - anyone - PLEASE show evidence that DJ Durkin is a good coach. Where was he a winner?
THIS is the key question, IMO. As I stated in a previous post, I'm aware of this issue. Purdue, AZ state, and Air Force defenses are in the top ten - NINETY positions above Ole MIss - for total defense. Does that "prove" their talent is better? I don't know. I'm not even sure how to interpret that. At this point it's all conjecture. But I've been following SEC football since 1975, and without an infallible guru to guide me, I've got to use my own eyes and experience to form some opinions. And IN MY OPINION, it's absolutely ridiculous to assume/conclude that the young men that comprise the Ole Miss defense as a group rank 101st in the nation. For example, Kentucky ranks 18th - more than 80 teams above OM - in total defense. Does anyone really believe Kentucky has been THAT much more successful recruiting defensive players than Ole Miss? Is it even remotely reasonable that Ole Miss would be geniuses at recruiting offensive players (top FIVE in the freakin' nation) but morons when it comes to recruiting players on the other side of the ball? Does that make ANY sense at all???
Two different seasons. Two different defensive schemes. Two different levels of talent. Same coach. Same results. Just how much evidence is needed before Ole Miss fans say, "Perhaps...just maybe...we could get better results with a different DC?"
Before I leave this, someone - anyone - PLEASE show evidence that DJ Durkin is a good coach. Where was he a winner?
Posted on 10/16/21 at 5:47 pm to jakesnake66
Defense was just as bad before Durkin. I think we look much better if the DLine is better. Our DBs are not necessarily getting beat but when the QB has 5-8 seconds to throw someone will be open. Rushing 3 doesn’t help and I’m still a bit baffled by the 3-2-6.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:41 pm to jakesnake66
Not this shite. Too early for this crap to be spewed around everywhere. That's very Ole Miss of you.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 11:20 pm to adp
Durkin and the defense got us the win tonight
Posted on 10/16/21 at 11:37 pm to Ole Colonel 27
If you are baffled by the fact that we don't have the personnel to do much different I don't know what to say. Look at the depth chart. Not a fan of the 3-2-6 but it is what it is.
This post was edited on 10/16/21 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:45 am to RebFin73
I hope he continues to fail and saving our offense in the process
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