re: Someone tell me why we haven't offered Mike Leach $5m to be our coach

Average is what we already have in Luke. I have no doubt that if given time he would make the program a 7-8 win team. The problem is EVERYONE knows he would NEVER have the in game ability to do much better than 9 wins max.

Uhh, Dan Mullen went 69-46 just down the road . . . Bobby Petrino shredded some SEC defenses. James Franklin won 18 games in 2 years at Vandy. Mark Stoops has signed just one top 25 class (and none of those guys were on the roster last year). Rich Brooks made 4 straight bowl games in Lexington.

Y’all shite on potentially winning 8-9 games per year when we can’t even muster that many wins. y’all act like we are above it, when, in reality, we are no different than any of the other little eight members.

I just don’t get it.

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Y’all shite on potentially winning 8-9 games per year when we can’t even muster that many wins. y’all act like we are above it, when, in reality, we are no different than any of the other little eight members.

I just don’t get it.

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We want more. Being ok and "accepting who we are" is what's wrong with our program. We are ok just winning 6-8 games a year

I’m not saying give up on winning titles.

I’m simply saying we should hire a coach whose goal is to make us consistently good for a while. We can worry about bigger stuff later. Basically, why worry about titles when we can’t even be consistently good, or, much less, make bowl games? It’s pretty clear.

If 6-9 wins per year is “average,” we are clearly well below it.

Oh they definitely have more money than we do and unfortunately don't have our schedule. It is frustrating though that we'd be considered the 7th or 8th best program though outside the top 6. I definitely agree we need to be consistently good before the thought of titles come into play. You'd think we could've kept up some type of momentum after Vaught

This is all pretty good debate on what average is and what we really want. To me it's pretty damn simple: I'll TAKE 7 and certainly 8 regular season wins a year however we can get them. It doesn't mean I wouldn't very much enjoy more occasionally and it also doesn't mean we might stare down a 4 or 5 wins occasionally, too. I'd just rather us not have to blow up the program and start over to get to either.

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We want more. Being ok and "accepting who we are" is what's wrong with our program

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That’s cute. I remember when I also thought OM was just one hire away from hitting it big

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We are ok just winning 6-8 games a year

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We haven’t done this yet.

Let’s make an access bowl first, before we go all National championship-or-bust


As much as it pains us all to say, state is our most comparable peer. Look what Mullen did there. Spent time establishing a 7-5, 8-4 base. After that was established as the floor, 9 or 10 seasons became the expectation. He just bailed before they could take it that far (and the program probably hit its peak- take your pick)

We need a few 7-5 8-4 seasons before we need to even think about championships. The fact that we’re even debating this is ridiculous

Henry is still relatively young and hasn't gotten old and cynical like the rest of us. He believes the SECc game is one coach away.

I bet you've been an OM fan longer. Just a guess obviously


Also I'm not that much older than you either

I thought you were around my age. pank is around our age, as is RebelGator, REBELS 5 AC, RichardCranium, OBReb6, etc.