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Let’s be honest with ourselves
Posted on 10/14/18 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 10/14/18 at 11:13 pm
I admit I am still skeptical about Matt Luke and this coaching staff. But it seems as if some delusional people post around here and I am going to give my 2 cents.
1. If you told me before this season we would be 5-2 right now I would have said that was not bad. And here we are. Not always pretty but still nothing like what I lived through back in the day.
2. This defense is bad. Incredibly bad. But nobody could get anything out of this group. Freeze bears part of the blame. He swung for the fences on recruiting and he whiffed toward the end on defense and left us with utter garbage. Add injuries and it is a nightmare. Not saying they couldn’t be better coached but this is reality.
3. Recruiting is going okay. I am still worried about defense in the long term. Under the cloud over the program the overall recruiting success is surprising
Not saying you can’t want better. But this isn’t the disaster it could have been and Luke deserves some credit for holding this thing together.
1. If you told me before this season we would be 5-2 right now I would have said that was not bad. And here we are. Not always pretty but still nothing like what I lived through back in the day.
2. This defense is bad. Incredibly bad. But nobody could get anything out of this group. Freeze bears part of the blame. He swung for the fences on recruiting and he whiffed toward the end on defense and left us with utter garbage. Add injuries and it is a nightmare. Not saying they couldn’t be better coached but this is reality.
3. Recruiting is going okay. I am still worried about defense in the long term. Under the cloud over the program the overall recruiting success is surprising
Not saying you can’t want better. But this isn’t the disaster it could have been and Luke deserves some credit for holding this thing together.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 6:47 am
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Posted on 10/15/18 at 6:58 am to GnashRebel
Right now every win we get is big. Each win helps make Ole Miss a more attractive destination when hiring the next coach/recruiting. Matt Luke and staff clearly aren’t the long term fix and it’s clear to everyone that this is the case. I know that most here hate Bjork and admin but I assume that they know this as well.
The fact of the matter is that HJJ is manufacturing the narrative on this board because he’s a petulant little child that can’t accept the fact that we are where we are. We’re still handcuffed by the NCAA and it is what it is at this point.
It’s important to be critical of the team and it’s not hard to recognize that our defense is atrocious. However not supporting the team and hoping for them to tank will only sink this program further.
The fact of the matter is that HJJ is manufacturing the narrative on this board because he’s a petulant little child that can’t accept the fact that we are where we are. We’re still handcuffed by the NCAA and it is what it is at this point.
It’s important to be critical of the team and it’s not hard to recognize that our defense is atrocious. However not supporting the team and hoping for them to tank will only sink this program further.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 6:59 am
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:08 am to GnashRebel
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This defense is bad. Incredibly bad. But nobody could get anything out of this group.
I cannot disagree with most of what you had to say, but I do believe that a DC with some chops could get more out of this defense. Put someone like a Joe Lee Dunn, a Charlie Strong, a Tommy Tuberville in there (just examples, I'm not saying hire any of them), and I think they could develop some of our defensive players better and quicker than McGriff.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 8:13 am to RebelliousGooner
HJJ has some good things to say sometimes. But right now he has turned into a post-Bruce Pearl Tennessee fan.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 8:34 am to GnashRebel
I honestly think HJJ is just exaggerating his view point as a push-back against the apathetic and satisfied with mediocrity mentality that he views the majority of the athletics administration and some of the fan base having. Here's 3 million for loving Ole Miss, now just go and keep the Grove full on Saturdays, winning is optional.
I think Freeze was on an extreme downward trend and it could have been because of the NCAA situation; but the NCAA situation was partially his and his staff's fault. They were sloppy and incompetent, very. That lawyer who sent a text to Farrar's phone would have never been allowed in Alabama's or Auburn's network to start with. They snuff out those characters quick and keep a large degree of separation between that scene and the program.
We have an assistant coach walking around with the incriminating text on his phone in the Manning center while the head coach is staging his funeral as a pre-season motivational rally.
I think Freeze was on an extreme downward trend and it could have been because of the NCAA situation; but the NCAA situation was partially his and his staff's fault. They were sloppy and incompetent, very. That lawyer who sent a text to Farrar's phone would have never been allowed in Alabama's or Auburn's network to start with. They snuff out those characters quick and keep a large degree of separation between that scene and the program.
We have an assistant coach walking around with the incriminating text on his phone in the Manning center while the head coach is staging his funeral as a pre-season motivational rally.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 10:22 am to Blaeke
quote:Bingo
I honestly think HJJ is just exaggerating his view point as a push-back against the apathetic and satisfied with mediocrity mentality that he views the majority of the athletics administration and some of the fan base having. Here's 3 million for loving Ole Miss, now just go and keep the Grove full on Saturdays, winning is optional.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 10:27 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Henry Jones Jr
I don't even really disagree with you pushing back against the apathetic mentality that infects some of the fan base. I just don't think this board is a representation of that. I think it would be better directed somewhere else. It doesn't appear that most people on this board are satisfied with Luke or wanted him in the first place.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 10:30 am to Henry Jones Jr
I don't think everyone is apathetic though. I just think the circumstances at the time they hired Matt Luke justify the move. You weren't goingt to get a top name under the circumstances of the time. Let the guy coach a few years. If he surprises us and is good then great but it is also easy to walk away and say we only took him under the circumstances.
I stand by my appreciation of the guy. This whole thing could have gone way worse and I believe he deserves some of the credit for holding the program together. If we do need to make a change in a year or two the new guy will inherit a much better circumstance then he might have.
I stand by my appreciation of the guy. This whole thing could have gone way worse and I believe he deserves some of the credit for holding the program together. If we do need to make a change in a year or two the new guy will inherit a much better circumstance then he might have.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 10:35 am to 256Rebel
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I cannot disagree with most of what you had to say, but I do believe that a DC with some chops could get more out of this defense. Put someone like a Joe Lee Dunn, a Charlie Strong, a Tommy Tuberville in there (just examples, I'm not saying hire any of them), and I think they could develop some of our defensive players better and quicker than McGriff.
McGriff is a joke. He should have never been hired. Go read his "defensive philosophy." And then chuckle. It relies 100% on talent. And guess what we don't have? So without talent, we need skill (i.e. defensive schemes), which can be coached. But guess what? We don't have a DC that can coach that. So here we are, a bunch of talent-less D players with no schemes and looking out of place on most critical plays.
To the OP:
5-2 was a no-brainer to predict. Here are our victories:
Texas Tech
Southern Ill.
Kent State
UL-Monroe
Arkansas
And here are our blow-out embarrassing losses:
Alabama
LSU
We weren't even competitive in those losses.
There is a decent chance that we lose the rest of our games, or just get one more victory.
Coach Matt Luke, whose idiotic buyout is his full remaining contract price, will be coach again next year. He will probably fire McGriff, but Longo will stay, unfortunately.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 10/15/18 at 10:47 am to DownSouthJukin
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And here are our blow-out embarrassing losses:
Alabama
LSU
This is the issue. They were blow-out embarrassing losses. LSU one bothers me more than the Bama one. We could have been in the game had our receivers caught balls they catch in their sleep. We have to expect going into every game at this point that we're going to give up a lot of points and we need to either get turnovers or just out score the other team.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 10:58 am to DownSouthJukin
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So here we are, a bunch of talent-less D players with no schemes and looking out of place on most critical plays.
Now for 3 years, we've been on our own and moss grows fat on a rolling stone, but that's not how it used to be.
Sorry, don't know why American Pie popped into my head when I read your sentence.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:07 am to GnashRebel
quote:I know that but we could have gotten a Jay Hopson if we wanted him. The last time we were in this situation we hired Tubberville. And we were in WAY worse shape than we are now
You weren't goingt to get a top name under the circumstances of the time.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:10 am to 256Rebel
Our situation reminds me more of Gilligan's Island.
So this is the tale of our castaways,
They're here for a long long time.
They'll have to make the best of things,
It's an uphill climb.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:12 am to JasonMason
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This is the issue. They were blow-out embarrassing losses.
I think the issue is greater than just mind-numbingly embarrassing blow-out losses to Bama & LSU. The team has been undisciplined, poorly coached, and unprepared in the 3 "cupcake" games. In no world should OM have to trail SIU at the half or have to fight to beat Kent State. Even in the offensive points-fest against ULM, the defense looked bad. I know, they "only" gave up 2 TD's, but they were saved by some fortuitous turnovers and stupid ULM mistakes.
People can scream, "bad Freeze; it's Freeze's fault" all they want because of lack of talent, but the issues of discipline, coaching, and game planning fall squarely on Luke's rather ample lap. Yes, Freeze hired Longo & McGriff. But, Luke is still the head man now. It's his responsibility. Freeze is out of the picture.
I won't denigrate the win over Arkansas. This is a long-term rivalry game and they have beaten us the previous 4 years. So I'll take a win over them, no matter how bad they are. Even so, on Arkansas' 1st or 2nd play from scrimmage, I literally screamed out at the tv, "the middle and defensive left are wide open!" Sure enough, Arkansas ran a plan against the OM left and easily picked up quite a few yards (20 or so, I think?). If I could see it that easily and quickly, why couldn't McGriff and/or Luke?
To give credit where credit is due, Longo called a good second half, especially on the last drive. I just fail to understand why, in every.single.game, the team has come out unprepared. Yes, good adjustments have generally been made at half time. But, good coaches have the team prepared at the beginning of games, and make good adjustments on the fly.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:30 am to 256Rebel
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People can scream, "bad Freeze; it's Freeze's fault" all they want because of lack of talent, but the issues of discipline, coaching, and game planning fall squarely on Luke's rather ample lap. Yes, Freeze hired Longo & McGriff. But, Luke is still the head man now. It's his responsibility. Freeze is out of the picture.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 12:22 pm to GnashRebel
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we would be 5-2 right now I would have said that was not bad.
I would have said Oh Texas Tech let us beat them.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 6:59 pm to Henry Jones Jr
We can get Jay anytime, and I would have been fine with us taking him last year too.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:09 pm to shamrock
quote:He is in my top 3. What he has done at Southern considering what he inherited is nothing short of amazing
We can get Jay anytime, and I would have been fine with us taking him last year too.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 8:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Longo will leave. Luke will bring in Kurt Roper. McGriff will get an extension and a raise. In a unprecedented move, Ross will give Matt Luke an indefinite extension and a million dollar bonus for every point scored by either team in a football game.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 10/15/18 at 9:09 pm to GnashRebel
I'll be honest. We sit at 5-2.
The 2 losses were terrible.
1 win was good at a neutral site.
1 win was a nail biter against an FCS opponent. Let that sink in.
1 win was a blow out against a bad team.
1 win was a depressing one against a far inferior opponent.
1 win was a come from behind miracle against a team that has won only one game.
In just about every game, we come out undisciplined, unprepared and look like a bunch of uncoached thugs.
Don't get me wrong. Beating Arkansas was good but we looked like shite in doing so.
We are far more terrible than our record speaks. We just happened to have the kind of schedule that MSU has benefited from each year.
It's about to show how bad we really are when we drop the rest of our games.
The 2 losses were terrible.
1 win was good at a neutral site.
1 win was a nail biter against an FCS opponent. Let that sink in.
1 win was a blow out against a bad team.
1 win was a depressing one against a far inferior opponent.
1 win was a come from behind miracle against a team that has won only one game.
In just about every game, we come out undisciplined, unprepared and look like a bunch of uncoached thugs.
Don't get me wrong. Beating Arkansas was good but we looked like shite in doing so.
We are far more terrible than our record speaks. We just happened to have the kind of schedule that MSU has benefited from each year.
It's about to show how bad we really are when we drop the rest of our games.
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