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matthew25
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re: Are you DONE?
Why does Vitter even need Ross Bjork?

Puppett on a string.


Peter Venkman
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Collierville, TN
Member since Aug 2016
1193 posts

re: Are you DONE?
I swear it seems that some of these people are more excited for Luke than they would be if Nick Saban took the job.


shamrock
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re: Are you DONE?
Hire was a no brainer to try to retain players, some potential upside if he pans out


TSUNRebel
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DeSoto County
Member since May 2014
546 posts

re: Are you DONE?
I have been a Rebel for 40 years. I don't understand why so many so called Rebels, believe that our program is that attractive.

We battle against football powerhouses in the west in Bama, FAuburn and LSU on an annual basis where we aren't near the sexy destination as any of those schools.

Not to mention Arkansas, aTm probably have more winning tradition than Ole Miss in football, plus they have twice the financial support.

That leaves the 2 Mississippi schools fighting each other for recruits, while Bama and LSU poach some of the top talent from our state. The least populated state in the western conference with 2 schools.

Would most of these so called fans take a position at a law firm or corporation not knowing what legal issues that those businesses would be facing in the near future?

Most coaches are much more careful not to get any where near schools where show causes are being given out to former coaches at that school.

Didn't Louisville basketball have to go in house to replace Pitino after their scandal? Hired a former player and assistant, because nobody wanted the job.

I want someone coaching our players, who has a love for Ole Miss. The same committment that I have had for the last 40 years.

I don't need to see the team win every game, what I enjoy is seeing players that play their hearts out because they are Ole Miss Rebels.

Through all the bull shite they have been through, those players kept playing hard.

We have a couple of years to see if Luke can get his feet on the ground and improve. I rather have an Ole Miss Rebel coaching, than an Ed Orgeron or a Hootie Nutt.

Rebels need to understand, our program has issues right now and it's going to take time to right the ship. It's a whole lot easier to do so if you can hang on to talent that can win. There is enough talent returning that could win 8 or 9 games. Take half of that away and we are back to 2-10.


Peter Venkman
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Collierville, TN
Member since Aug 2016
1193 posts

re: Are you DONE?
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I don’t understand why so many so called Rebels, believe that our program is that attractive.

Maybe we see it as an attractive job because we have tangible proof now that we can be a perennial top 25 team if we can just stay out of our own way. We can offer a top 10-15 salary, relatively reasonable expectations, a fertile recruiting ground (Mississippi is second in NFL players per capita). Are we Alabama or LSU? No. Are we Southern Miss or UL-Lafayette either though? No. Why shouldn’t we want better for our program than a bad offensive line who rode a wave of emotion to a decent season?

I don’t want to accept mediocrity when I kmow that we can do better. As a program we have seen many peaks and valleys but it appears to me that many of the valleys we’ve seen are at least in part due to self-inflicted wounds.

Our athletic department has shown complete ineptitude for decades and we are still a fairly decent program overall (or we will be by 2030 when the NCAA has released the penalties and we’ve finally escaped). If we can get this far with incompetence then imagine what we could do with real competence and efficiency.

I don’t care about seeing the Tayler Polks of the world out there giving it 110% only for us to be getting skulldrugged by Alabama. I care about winning. The coach’s alma mater and birthplace be damned. I care about winning. That’s it. You cannot tell me that Matt Luke would be the most deserving candidate on the board if he wasn’t a fourth-generation alum. This is why we are angry, and this is a legitimate beef.
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matthew25
Ole Miss Fan
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts

re: Are you DONE?
So you bought the players threat to leave?

Where would they go if we hired a competent coach?


Doresrules
Ole Miss Fan
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
4314 posts

re: Are you DONE?
Not directed at matt25, but some of you need to take several seats and see exactly what you were saying when Luke was hired.


DownSouthJukin
SW Missouri State Fan
Gillsburg, Mississippi
Member since Jan 2014
13872 posts

re: Are you DONE?
I know exactly what I said: give him a chance.

I now regret saying it and he's had his chance. It's time to move on from this experiment in coaching.


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Landmass
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6536 posts

re: Are you DONE?
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Maybe we see it as an attractive job because we have tangible proof now that we can be a perennial top 25 team if we can just stay out of our own way.


THIS

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If we can get this far with incompetence then imagine what we could do with real competence and efficiency.


And THIS


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Landmass
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Rebels need to understand, our program has issues right now and it's going to take time to right the ship. It's a whole lot easier to do so if you can hang on to talent that can win. There is enough talent returning that could win 8 or 9 games. Take half of that away and we are back to 2-10.


Just saying... Hugh Freeze took all of 1 year to right a much worse ship. Bill Clark took an even bigger disaster and turned it around quickly. I don't buy into the old thoughts that it will take time to turn around. They sure as heck burned the program down quickly enough.


Landmass
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Member since Jun 2013
6536 posts

re: Are you DONE?
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Hire was a no brainer to try to retain players, some potential upside if he pans out


My no-brainer was that the program needed a reset and bringing in a real HC would have put us in a better position long-term than promoting an underachieving assistant coach to a job he had no business getting. A competent and qualified coach would have done more to keep players here than Matt Luke did. It almost seems that the players that transferred did so because Matt Luke was hired.


256Rebel
Ole Miss Fan
Member since Dec 2017
159 posts

re: Are you DONE?
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A competent and qualified coach would have done more to keep players here than Matt Luke did.


Good point. A lot of people keep saying that it was necessary to name Luke HC in order to retain the players. How many players did Arkansas lose when Fat Bert was fired and Chad Morris was hired? I honestly do not know, but I don't remember any hysterics about the number of players Arky was losing. I know that's just one example, and Arky wasn't under a bowl ban, but still.


For that matter, how much worse would our record have been if someone else, like Bill Clark, had been hired and we hypothetically lost a few players? 4-8?, 3-9? Big deal. We weren't going to a bowl anyway. 1 or 2 more losses seems a small price to pay to set the program on a better path.


Landmass
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Member since Jun 2013
6536 posts

re: Are you DONE?
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For that matter, how much worse would our record have been if someone else, like Bill Clark, had been hired and we hypothetically lost a few players? 4-8?, 3-9? Big deal. We weren't going to a bowl anyway. 1 or 2 more losses seems a small price to pay to set the program on a better path.


Bingo! You are thinking logically about the long-term success of the program. I don't want to make do with duct tape and band-aids.


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DMagic
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Member since Aug 2010
40954 posts

re: Are you DONE?
Where are you getting Freeze was in a worse position? All of his major contributors to those first two years were all Nutt 2010/2011 guys. Only two players were in such dire positions academically that they wouldn’t have been eligible and they were both from usp. Luke inherited a talented lineup just like Freeze with the added fun of not being able to hire his own coordinators. That doesn’t excuse his crappiness but stop pretending Freeze was great.


Pickle_Weasel
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Where are you getting Freeze was in a worse position? All of his major contributors to those first two years were all Nutt 2010/2011 guys. Only two players were in such dire positions academically that they wouldn’t have been eligible and they were both from usp. Luke inherited a talented lineup just like Freeze with the added fun of not being able to hire his own coordinators. That doesn’t excuse his crappiness but stop pretending Freeze was great.




I'm many 1st rounders did Freeze inherit?


DMagic
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Member since Aug 2010
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re: Are you DONE?
Moncrief
Brassell
CJ


Now you can rightly argue they weren’t first rounders because of their career paths and injuries derailing but these were the highest rated guys we ever had prior to 2013. CJ choosing us was the biggest flip probably ever to that point.
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Pickle_Weasel
Ole Miss Fan
Member since Mar 2016
1163 posts

re: Are you DONE?
Moncrief was a 3rd round selection (90th selection overall). Brassell and CJ, of course, weren't drafted. So the answer was that Freeze didn't inherit any 1st round NFL talent. :)

I just think the argument that Freeze had a more talented roster than what Luke started with is really dishonest and shouldn't even be attempted to be argued.


DMagic
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Member since Aug 2010
40954 posts

re: Are you DONE?
Did I say more talented? Landmass has argued multiple times how Freeze inherited untalented teams which is false. Greg Little and AJ might both slip past the first round. Would you argue they aren’t first round talents? If DK isn’t selected in the first is he not as talented as Moncrief was? Can I start saying Luke didn’t inherit first round talent? No of course not.


Pickle_Weasel
Ole Miss Fan
Member since Mar 2016
1163 posts

re: Are you DONE?
Your argument is weird - we know for a FACT that Freeze didn't inherit any 1st round talent. We'll know the answer for Luke in April (anywhere from 2-3 1st round picks, going by current projections).

Comparing DK to Moncrief doesn't work - two totally different receivers. DK and AJ are the larger body receivers that can go up and fight for the ball and break tackles. Donte is a burner.

You can say that come April if noone gets drafted in the 1st round, sure.

His argument isn't that the team had zero talent - it was that the talent wasn't even close to what Luke inherited, which only a moron would argue against.


DMagic
Ole Miss Fan
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
40954 posts

re: Are you DONE?
My argument is only weird to people who like Freeze. Donte is one inch shorter and weighs almost as much as DK does. Of course we don’t know where they’ll be drafted doesn’t mean they weren’t squandered first round talent regardless of where they’re picked. Luke can’t develop talent shocker.

Of course that’s his argument about Freeze. Freeze guys always say that about what kind of position he was in when he got here. But that ignores reality. Yes luke inherited much better offensive players and no question wasted them. Freeze inherited better defensive players by a wide margin and he wasted them. Simply pointing that out doesn’t mean I support Luke or do I think he’s a better coach than Freeze.


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