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Landmass
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re: Are you DONE?
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Where are you getting Freeze was in a worse position? All of his major contributors to those first two years were all Nutt 2010/2011 guys. Only two players were in such dire positions academically that they wouldn’t have been eligible and they were both from usp. Luke inherited a talented lineup just like Freeze with the added fun of not being able to hire his own coordinators. That doesn’t excuse his crappiness but stop pretending Freeze was great.



Clarion Ledger Article

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2012 Freeze has inherited a mess of a roster, one that won all of two games in 2011 and has massive academic issues that threaten to leave around 25 of his players ineligible for the season.
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Pickle_Weasel
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re: Are you DONE?
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Yes luke inherited much better offensive players and no question wasted them. Freeze inherited better defensive players by a wide margin and he wasted them.


Hold on...what? So, we need to take the first 4 years (to include freshmen-senior of what he inherited) to examine that statement. Let's do this....

Defensive Rankings (with team record)
2011: 72 (prior to Freeze) 2-10
2012: 54 7-6
2013: 45 8-5
2014: 12 9-4
2015: 53 10-3

Sorry, but your argument over him "wasting" defensive talent just doesn't seem to hold up.
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Blaeke
Stanford Fan
Member since Dec 2016
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re: Are you DONE?
2011's team had a #72 ranked defense?!

Hypothetical:

Would 2018's top 10 offense be able to score on 2011's defense?

The only team above #72 that they scored more than 20 points on was Texas A&M at 24.
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DMagic
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re: Are you DONE?
Right and out of those there were two that were as bad as reported nick Parker and snoop. One failed and the other didn’t. The rest had simply stopped going to class. So while I always credit Freeze with how he motivated guys who had been given up on by Nutt and getting them to care again it wasn’t a Herculean a task as presented by ole miss media.


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DMagic
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re: Are you DONE?
Well he wasted them if you’re holding him to the same standard as Luke which I am. He failed to capitalize and win the west. Luke is unquestionably worse as a head coach than freeze but there’s no reason to lose to those mediocre schools with our defensive talent like Hugh did just like it’s inexcusable to lose to those mediocre schools with bad defenses this year.


Pickle_Weasel
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Member since Mar 2016
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re: Are you DONE?
That's a good question. That 2011 defense team's stats:
Passing Yards: 194.4
Rushing Yards: 224.9
Total YDS: 419
PPG: 32.1

Looking at A&M's defensive stats this year:
Passing Yards: 262.7
Rushing Yards: 92
Total YDS: 355
PPG: 26.3

Based on just looking at the stats (which don't always play out), and playing around with numbers, this year's offense would be projected to put up 29 (29.2261...) points against that 2011 defense.


DMagic
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re: Are you DONE?
Until this year 2010 was our worst defense statistically. Teams got tired of scoring on us in 2011 I guess


Pickle_Weasel
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re: Are you DONE?
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Well he wasted them if you’re holding him to the same standard as Luke which I am.


Dude, you really should stop - you're trolling at this point and its just sad.

FACTS:
1. Inherited defense improved under Freeze (gave up less points).
2. Inherited offense regressed under Luke (scored less points).

I'm not sure what your deal is with this - maybe you're unable to admit you're wrong or you have some sort of other motive, but you're really coming across as a dumbass. Facts do not back up anything you've tried to argue.


Pickle_Weasel
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Member since Mar 2016
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re: Are you DONE?
Post stats to backup your claims man. I'm tired of having to do the research to constantly prove you wrong.


DMagic
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re: Are you DONE?
Regressed from what? I told you my standard and reasoning. If you’re going by stats Luke improved total offense both seasons he was HC but have you ever heard me say he improved it? Scoring offense was almost flat year to year. If scoring offense matters Hugh went 5-7 with that same offense. Are you suggesting the 2016 offense was good? Have I ever suggested that Luke improved any facet of our team? My argument has been consistent from the beginning. Luke inheriting a mess which he couldn’t pull himself out of mostly because of Hugh Freeze and Bjork’s making. Yours is what exactly?


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DMagic
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re: Are you DONE?
Hugh Freeze finished no higher than second in the west with the best talent we’ve ever assembled. Facts
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HYDRebs
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Houston
Member since Sep 2014
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re: Are you DONE?
A username with weasel defending Freeze. That's gold


DMagic
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re: Are you DONE?
I think he’s frustrated and wants to do something about it but in his position just like us we end up arguing with some dude on the internet while the real decision makers flounder around like retards humping doorknobs


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adp
Member since Jul 2015
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re: Are you DONE?
Never done. Can't wait to see the DC hire. Maybe MATTY can save this program.


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Doresrules
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Member since Dec 2012
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re: Are you DONE?
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Moncrief was a 3rd round selection (90th selection overall). Brassell and CJ, of course, weren't drafted. So the answer was that Freeze didn't inherit any 1st round NFL talent. :) 


You could also make the argument that Freeze just didn't develop that talent accordingly. :)


Pickle_Weasel
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Member since Mar 2016
1190 posts

re: Are you DONE?
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You could also make the argument that Freeze just didn't develop that talent accordingly. :)


Considering that Freeze had players that he recruited and coached were drafted in the 1st round, I'd say reality proves you wrong once again. But what's new....


dhand
Ole Miss Fan
nashville
Member since Oct 2015
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re: Are you DONE?
We are done and I won’t be going to games till Luke is gone


rebelrouser
Furman Fan
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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re: Are you DONE?
The players Freeze inherited had just lost to Jacksonville State.


Doresrules
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Member since Dec 2012
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re: Are you DONE?
Not sure what your point is but OM played Jacksonville St in 2010. Freeze took over 2012.


Doresrules
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Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
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re: Are you DONE?
Reality doesn't prove anything. It was obviously a joke that went over your head. Hence the smiley face.


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