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Why have the fatalities from the delta variant not increased?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:29 am
We keep hearing about how dangerous this delta variant is. And yes, its very apparent that it is highly contagious. But the media is not reporting the fact that the fatalities just aren't climbing along with the number of cases.
The 7-Day average of Daily new COVID cases hit bottom in the US back on June 22. On that date, new daily cases hit a low of 11,299. Beginning the next day, cases began taking off again.... and as of yesterday, the new 7-day rolling average for new cases is up to 43,746/day. That is a 287% increase.
Meanwhile, back on June 22, the 7-day average for new fatalities was 303 per day. Fatalities continued to fall all the way through July 5th when they reached 215. They have risen a bit since then, but they still stand at just 250 per day as of yesterday.
So while new cases have increased by 287% since June 22, new daily fatalities are actually DOWN by 18%.
Most will argue there is a lag between new cases and new fatalities. This is true, but based off history, that lag is usually only around 10-14 days.... 21 days at most.
We're now 32 days out from the day when new cases started increasing dramatically and fatalities continue to stay flat or even fall.
Even just a week ago, new daily fatalities averaged 268 per day.... so over the past week, they've fallen down to 250.
Why is this not being reported? I'm not saying this variant is not serious or even that its not deadly... it obviously is... but the media is purposely choosing not to report on the fact that cases continue to fall. That is good news.
The 7-Day average of Daily new COVID cases hit bottom in the US back on June 22. On that date, new daily cases hit a low of 11,299. Beginning the next day, cases began taking off again.... and as of yesterday, the new 7-day rolling average for new cases is up to 43,746/day. That is a 287% increase.
Meanwhile, back on June 22, the 7-day average for new fatalities was 303 per day. Fatalities continued to fall all the way through July 5th when they reached 215. They have risen a bit since then, but they still stand at just 250 per day as of yesterday.
So while new cases have increased by 287% since June 22, new daily fatalities are actually DOWN by 18%.
Most will argue there is a lag between new cases and new fatalities. This is true, but based off history, that lag is usually only around 10-14 days.... 21 days at most.
We're now 32 days out from the day when new cases started increasing dramatically and fatalities continue to stay flat or even fall.
Even just a week ago, new daily fatalities averaged 268 per day.... so over the past week, they've fallen down to 250.
Why is this not being reported? I'm not saying this variant is not serious or even that its not deadly... it obviously is... but the media is purposely choosing not to report on the fact that cases continue to fall. That is good news.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 2:47 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 7/23/21 at 2:49 pm to BHMKyle
The election is over
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:23 pm to BHMKyle
I'm by no means a scientist/expert, but I do believe that the longer a virus mutates and continues to spread through a population it will adapt to spread much easier, while also adapting to become less deadly overall (when compared to the OG virus).
Viruses want to "live" and continue to propagate amongst the population it infects. It would behoove that virus to find that delicate balance between spreadability and lesser deaths, due to a dead population being impossible to infect. I believe that the variants we are seeing now are following this trend and the data might support this idea.
But like I said, I'm just a dude with an internet connection.
Viruses want to "live" and continue to propagate amongst the population it infects. It would behoove that virus to find that delicate balance between spreadability and lesser deaths, due to a dead population being impossible to infect. I believe that the variants we are seeing now are following this trend and the data might support this idea.
But like I said, I'm just a dude with an internet connection.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 5:53 pm to DirtyDawg
One thing with vaccine is that it helps you not really have symptoms, but isn't so good at actually stopping you from getting the virus.
So it stops the virus from being naturally selected to be less deadly, and the virus is free to mutate a lot more randomly and actually become more deadly
In short the vaccine is making everyone with it incubators of variants, and the only selection pressure on them is to become vaccine resistant.
So it stops the virus from being naturally selected to be less deadly, and the virus is free to mutate a lot more randomly and actually become more deadly
In short the vaccine is making everyone with it incubators of variants, and the only selection pressure on them is to become vaccine resistant.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 9:43 am to DirtyDawg
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But like I said, I'm just a dude with an internet connection.
Well, you nailed it. Viruses are as subject to evolution as any other organism. COVID-19 is adapting to its new environment by doing exactly what you said: Those strains that don’t kill proliferate and replace deadler ones. Each time the dominant strain is less deadly and usually more infectious.
This is true for even the most deadly flu viruses that have ever existed, such as the H1N1 Spanish Flu of 1918. It still comes around from time to time but will never again be the monster it originally was.
It may take a couple of years for the media to completely get over their hysteria about COVID-19, but politicians should stop reacting when they yell that, “It’s back! It’s back in another wave! The poor are going to suffer more!” Notice that even the media have stopped calling the new variants deadly.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 3:00 pm to BHMKyle
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Why is this not being reported? I'm not saying this variant is not serious or even that its not deadly... it obviously is... but the media is purposely choosing not to report on the fact that cases continue to fall. That is good news.
Simple. Because it doesn't advance the narrative of fear to keep the sheeple under control.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:31 pm to DirtyDawg
Or... maybe it becomes far more virulent. Far more deadly. Evolution does not proceed from a "this then that" standard. It just sort of happens. We are just as likely to get plague that makes the death toll of COVID-19 seem like a pleasant dream than something that eases itself out the door.
Which is why we need to vaccinate and throttle this thing in its grave. Make it like smallpox. Something that used to be feared and now is gone.
Which is why we need to vaccinate and throttle this thing in its grave. Make it like smallpox. Something that used to be feared and now is gone.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 5:37 pm to Arksulli
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Why have the fatalities from the delta variant not increased?
Or... maybe it becomes far more virulent. Far more deadly. Evolution does not proceed from a "this then that" standard. It just sort of happens. We are just as likely to get plague that makes the death toll of COVID-19 seem like a pleasant dream than something that eases itself out the door.
Which is why we need to vaccinate and throttle this thing in its grave. Make it like smallpox. Something that used to be feared and now is gone.
That is simply not how these things work. They mutate and get weaker because that allows them to survive better.
This isn't "maybe", it's years of actual science and research into these things.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 5:46 pm to BHMKyle
Because this entire thing is a giant scam for the mRNA research companies.
Not to say people aren't dying, because some are. But they know the majority of people probably don't need the vaccine. I read a stat recently that of all deaths marked as covid, only 6% of them were due to covid alone. The other 94% had co-morbidities. And not just 1, the average for those who dies was 2.6 of them.
They know who is at risk and who isn't, but they keep coming up with excuses on why you need the vaccine. Why?
It should be no secret that our government is corrupted by big industries and pharma is right at the top. Over the past 20 or so years, there have been billions of dollars invested into mRNA vaccines.
Thus far, they have had 0 return on their investment over those decades. Because not a single vaccine has been FDA approved.
And btw, I'm not against this technology, it looks very promising - if they can make it safe. They are trying to cure cancer and other things with it, but it has a dangerous side when it comes to autoimmunities.
So now if you get these "free" vaccines, these companies get paid. And these companies are protected from anyone suing them over it.
It's all about the money. If you are high risk, it might be a good idea to weigh the risks and get it. But otherwise, you're a government sponsored trial patient.
Not to say people aren't dying, because some are. But they know the majority of people probably don't need the vaccine. I read a stat recently that of all deaths marked as covid, only 6% of them were due to covid alone. The other 94% had co-morbidities. And not just 1, the average for those who dies was 2.6 of them.
They know who is at risk and who isn't, but they keep coming up with excuses on why you need the vaccine. Why?
It should be no secret that our government is corrupted by big industries and pharma is right at the top. Over the past 20 or so years, there have been billions of dollars invested into mRNA vaccines.
Thus far, they have had 0 return on their investment over those decades. Because not a single vaccine has been FDA approved.
And btw, I'm not against this technology, it looks very promising - if they can make it safe. They are trying to cure cancer and other things with it, but it has a dangerous side when it comes to autoimmunities.
So now if you get these "free" vaccines, these companies get paid. And these companies are protected from anyone suing them over it.
It's all about the money. If you are high risk, it might be a good idea to weigh the risks and get it. But otherwise, you're a government sponsored trial patient.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 2:56 pm to Arksulli
N/A replied in wrong thread
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:07 am to BHMKyle
Delta is more dangerous than covid19 was last spring. People that are vaccinated can still get the virus but the chances of having serious complications when vaccinated are extremely low. I'm not going to suggest this is accurate but most of the data is showing ABOUT 98 percent of the people dying from covid were not vaccinated. Most, if not all, of the vaccinated people that died, had underlying conditions.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 4:28 pm to Kentucker
... you also have to factor in the low hanging fruit variable.
Where for a predator the most vulnerable and unhealthy are naturally the easiest prey and simply more easily die off. And as there are less of these type victims the fatalities will naturally drop. We're seeing this illustrated with a decrease in life expectancy, which alone will alter the death percentage, even for the very same non-mutated virus. I'm guessing the death rate would eventually flat line (within parameters) as it has for our garden variety influenza's.... within it's normal human strains.
And while there's certain anthropomorphic logic to your suggestion, there's also the very real possibly that any one mutation could be more deadly, by simply chance roll of the dice. Unless you are saying viral mutations are being driven by conscious high level decision. And this one thinks it's better to become a long term resident. IE: That's it encoding it's genome by logic.
To which I'm still leaning toward crap shoot and we got lucky Delta is simply more contagious. Because if we're going with intelligence it'd also know a with lower level of virulence, also comes an increased chance for us to adequately attack it's out of existence. To curb stomp it gone.
Where for a predator the most vulnerable and unhealthy are naturally the easiest prey and simply more easily die off. And as there are less of these type victims the fatalities will naturally drop. We're seeing this illustrated with a decrease in life expectancy, which alone will alter the death percentage, even for the very same non-mutated virus. I'm guessing the death rate would eventually flat line (within parameters) as it has for our garden variety influenza's.... within it's normal human strains.
And while there's certain anthropomorphic logic to your suggestion, there's also the very real possibly that any one mutation could be more deadly, by simply chance roll of the dice. Unless you are saying viral mutations are being driven by conscious high level decision. And this one thinks it's better to become a long term resident. IE: That's it encoding it's genome by logic.
To which I'm still leaning toward crap shoot and we got lucky Delta is simply more contagious. Because if we're going with intelligence it'd also know a with lower level of virulence, also comes an increased chance for us to adequately attack it's out of existence. To curb stomp it gone.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:04 pm to NorthPark
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ABOUT 98 percent of the people dying from covid were not vaccinated
Can you show your work on this, p&ty?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:24 pm to Aight is Enough
The Department of Health has released multiple statements, but Forbes also stated that 99 percent of the people that died from covid last month were unvaccinated. ( New here so doubt I can post a link but search using covid deaths unvaccinated and 99 percent. Forbes offers more information though. IN May 150 of 18,000 covid deaths were unvaccinatted.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:54 pm to NorthPark
Thanks! 
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:00 pm to NorthPark
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Most, if not all, of the vaccinated people that died, had underlying conditions.
Isn’t that the case prior to delta as well?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 5:40 am to NYCAuburn
Underlying conditions certainly can make covid worse but no, in the first 6 to 9 months of the virus nobody was vaccinated. There was no way to compare vaccinated versus unvaccinated deaths until vaccines were rolling. It was Feb of this year before I was vaccinated.
18,000 covid deaths in May of this year with 150 of them vaccinated is much better odds than last year.
18,000 covid deaths in May of this year with 150 of them vaccinated is much better odds than last year.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:49 am to BHMKyle
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But the media is not reporting the fact that the fatalities just aren't climbing along with the number of cases.
US COVID-19 Related Deaths
Yesterday - 8/3/21 - 668
One month prior - 7/3/2021 - 86
One year prior - 608
US COVID-19 Reported New Cases
Yesterday - 8/3/21 - 149,778
One month prior - 3,993
One year prior - 47,484
We have had:
- 37.5 times as many cases as this time last month with only 7.7 times as many associated deaths.
- 3.2 times as many reported cases as this time last year with only 1.1 times as many associated deaths.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 7:33 pm to madmaxvol
Vaccines teach the body to fight the disease it was designed for. A virus may mutate or evolve every time it finds a host body to live in. Delta is not the same virus that was spreading last spring. I think about 60 percent of America has been vaccinated for Covid and about 50 to 60 percent of the vaccinated will be able to fight off the Delta strain. Some will catch the delta but not even realize it and spread it unknowingly, If you have been vaccinated and catch Delta you have about a 98 percent chance of surviving the virus. This is why the number of deaths is not as high as the last spring. They estimate if 75 percent of the population is vaccinated it will encourage herd immunity. The virus can mutate every time somebody catches the virus and spreads it. This means it is possible for somebody that had the virus previously can catch a mutated strain A chain is only as strong as the weakest link and until we reach herd immunity it can keep spreading a mutated strain which can cause the death rate to rise or The fall depending on the mutation.
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