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Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:05 am to NorthPark
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If you have been vaccinated and catch Delta you have about a 98 percent chance of surviving the virus. This is why the number of deaths is not as high as the last spring.
Only a 98% chance of surviving?
You realize you have a 99.8% chance of surviving covid even if you aren't vaccinated? Your number can't be correct.
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 12:06 am
Posted on 8/8/21 at 7:42 pm to 3down10
Your figure of 99.8 percent is the number in question. We have examples of underreporting, some intentional and or unintentional that could affect the percentage. In the figure I posted, it was a sample size from one month which leaves less room for error. For instance, we know many early statistics were inaccurate as some covid deaths happened prior to the world knowing we faced a pandemic.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 8:18 pm to NorthPark
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Your figure of 99.8 percent is the number in question. We have examples of underreporting, some intentional and or unintentional that could affect the percentage. In the figure I posted, it was a sample size from one month which leaves less room for error. For instance, we know many early statistics were inaccurate as some covid deaths happened prior to the world knowing we faced a pandemic.
It's not in question unless you are just making shite up. At the start of the thing, the number was inflated well beyond the actual numbers because they would only count verified cases, and wouldn't estimate all the people who got it but never showed symptoms(80%).
When they did the entire formula(which is the same way they do the flu), the actual rate was 0.2% mortality rate. Which was double the normal flu season, at 0.1%.
So I don't know who you think is questioning it, it's a formula they've used for years. Not even sure what early statistics matter, if the deaths weren't reported neither were the cases.
And overall, the numbers were inflated since they counted dying with covid as dying from covid.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 8:19 pm to 3down10
I provided a link to a study, why do you think it is error?
Posted on 8/8/21 at 9:13 pm to BHMKyle
Just shut up and take your jab. You're not supposed to question MuH ScIenCe.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 9:16 pm to NorthPark
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I provided a link to a study, why do you think it is error?
The study you mention is saying that the under reported cases would make the mortality rate LOWER than it actually is.
At no point does it EVER say the mortality rate might be higher, or anything else you claim.
That study was originally done in June of last year, when the media was trying to use cases to deaths and coming up with 5-7%. This study is confirming what many already said, that the number of cases that didn't get counted was grossly underestimated.
But it doesn't really matter. The real formula for these things take into account untested cases and base it off that, so this report likely does not affect the 0.2%. But again, if it did it means the number would be 0.1%, not 2% that you claim.
You should try reading the studies before linking them.
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Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:05 pm to 3down10
States are still finding unreported deaths and let's not pretend our leadership has been consistent about covid and our testing rates were always lagging behind our capability. How many people passed in 2020 that was never tested?
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and an excerpt, A recent study from MIT has estimated t the actual number of COVID-19 infections is 12 times and deaths at 50 percent higher than reported.
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One final thought, how many people died from the Spanish flu? We really do not know.
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and an excerpt, A recent study from MIT has estimated t the actual number of COVID-19 infections is 12 times and deaths at 50 percent higher than reported.
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One final thought, how many people died from the Spanish flu? We really do not know.
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:39 pm to NorthPark
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States are still finding unreported deaths and let's not pretend our leadership has been consistent about covid and our testing rates were always lagging behind our capability. How many people passed in 2020 that was never tested?
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This link is talking about a delay in reporting, while at the same time mentioning that covid deaths are fast tracked for recording purposes.
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and an excerpt, A recent study from MIT has estimated t the actual number of COVID-19 infections is 12 times and deaths at 50 percent higher than reported.
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Do you not realize the 12 times the cases but only a 50% increase in deaths means an even lower mortality rates?
Why do you keep posting articles that say the opposite of what you are claiming?
And where does any of this support your 98% original claim?
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:12 pm to 3down10
regardless if it means a lower rate or not, the statistics I used was simpler, the number of reported deaths versus vaccinated or not in a month. The statistics you are bringing up have significantly more known issues. I doubt we will never know the true numbers from covid, pretty much like we don't know the true numbers of any pandemic I can think of.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:15 am to NorthPark
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regardless if it means a lower rate or not, the statistics I used was simpler, the number of reported deaths versus vaccinated or not in a month. The statistics you are bringing up have significantly more known issues. I doubt we will never know the true numbers from covid, pretty much like we don't know the true numbers of any pandemic I can think of.
You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. You just want something to be true and are just looking for any way to make it so. At least 99.8% of people who get covid survive. 99.99% of people who are vaccinated survive, not only 98%.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:51 am to 3down10
The delta is about 30 percent more contagious than covid 19. If the mortality rate is about the same for both then delta is more dangerous. It really isn't that difficult.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:01 am to NorthPark
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The delta is about 30 percent more contagious than covid 19. If the mortality rate is about the same for both then delta is more dangerous. It really isn't that difficult.
Well, the mortality rate is much lower now. As virus mutate, it's the weaker strains that spread more. Deadlier strains kill hosts and don't spread as far. The virus falls under the same survival of the fittest laws as everything else in nature, and the best adaptations are the ones that let it spread the most.
The weaker strains also provide immunity to the stronger strains if they happen to appear later. That is what vaccines were originally based on.
You are really a prime example of someone who has their mind made up no matter what the truth is and you just keeping looking for ways to make it so.
I guess this time at least you didn't provide a link that debunks your own post.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:29 am to 3down10
You suggested I was a liar so why wouldn't I post a link or two.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:34 am to NorthPark
and no, it is more contagious and the Lanoda variant has already spun off and at this point, they think it will be more resistant to the vaccine. The City of Austin issued a Civil Alert today. This thing is not over.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:07 pm to NorthPark
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You suggested I was a liar so why wouldn't I post a link or two.
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:10 pm to NorthPark
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and no, it is more contagious and the Lanoda variant has already spun off and at this point, they think it will be more resistant to the vaccine. The City of Austin issued a Civil Alert today. This thing is not over.
These things mutate constantly. I think identified 30 different strains in the first month alone. I'm sure it mutates that many times per day at this point.
It will get more contagious and less deadly as time goes on. That's just the way nature works.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:38 pm to 3down10
Your understanding of mutations disagrees with Dr Fauci and WHO. Oddly, I was surprised to find statements by Dr Fauci and WHO which stated today that as long as this virus is mutating it is possible for it to become more bothersome, contagious, and vaccine-resistant, Life instinctively fights to survive and mutations over time can help it achieve that goal by making it stronger. The longer this pandemic is active the more dangerous it becomes, We need to turn it into an endemic which is significantly more manageable.
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Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:11 am to 3down10
And you are talking about the named variants. Mutations do not always affect the DNA in any meaningful way. They name the variants if the DNA has changed in a way it is of concern.
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