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re: Why have the fatalities from the delta variant not increased?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:33 pm to NorthPark
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:33 pm to NorthPark
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And you are talking about the named variants. Mutations do not always affect the DNA in any meaningful way. They name the variants if the DNA has changed in a way it is of concern.
They name the strains when they are the ones that are most common. That makes them "of concern".
Actual strain names have a bunch of letters and numbers. Like, the B.1.1.7 strain(alpha strain, the original new more deadly variant). Delta variant is B.1.617.2 See all those numbers missing between it? That's how often these things mutate. And that's just the ones they know about.
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Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:41 pm to NorthPark
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Your understanding of mutations disagrees with Dr Fauci and WHO. Oddly, I was surprised to find statements by Dr Fauci and WHO which stated today that as long as this virus is mutating it is possible for it to become more bothersome, contagious, and vaccine-resistant, Life instinctively fights to survive and mutations over time can help it achieve that goal by making it stronger. The longer this pandemic is active the more dangerous it becomes, We need to turn it into an endemic which is significantly more manageable.
It's called Natural Selection.
The more deadly a virus is, the more easily it is contained.
This of it like this. The Earth is our host and humans are the "virus". Guess what happens to humans if we kill the Earth? Our population and our evolution dies off. We never have a chance to "spread" to other planets.
But if humans can take just enough off the host to survive without "killing" it, then in time humans could start to populate other hosts. That is natural selection at work. A virus doesn't benefit by killing it's host.
The goal of the virus is to survive and reproduce. Dead hosts do not benefit it, and those strains will die off. The mutations that allow it to reproduce easier and don't kill the hosts are the ones that become the "dominate" strains.
The end result is they generally get weaker and more contagious as time goes on.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:43 pm to 3down10
The virus is on a suicide course merely by trying to survive in our body. It doesn't have the ability to have cognitive thought, so what is your point? The first life on this planet was single-cell animals that mutated for billions of years. Evolution is part of natural selection as well. If humans die out in several hundred million years some other mammal will be at the top of the food chain. We will be replaced as easily as the Dinos were. Evolution doesn't need humans merely because we are the most intelligent animal as we are also the most destructive,
Come to think of it, it isn't unreasonable to suggest we may destroy ourselves, but if we do not kill the earth life and evolution will go on,
Come to think of it, it isn't unreasonable to suggest we may destroy ourselves, but if we do not kill the earth life and evolution will go on,
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:33 pm to NorthPark
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The virus is on a suicide course merely by trying to survive in our body. It doesn't have the ability to have cognitive thought, so what is your point? The first life on this planet was single-cell animals that mutated for billions of years. Evolution is part of natural selection as well. If humans die out in several hundred million years some other mammal will be at the top of the food chain. We will be replaced as easily as the Dinos were. Evolution doesn't need humans merely because we are the most intelligent animal as we are also the most destructive,
Come to think of it, it isn't unreasonable to suggest we may destroy ourselves, but if we do not kill the earth life and evolution will go on,
That you think "cognitive thought" had anything to do with the things I said highlights you are a serious dumbass.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:46 pm to 3down10
If it survives in a host or not it is going to die so it becomes more contagious. Your comment about it is called natural selecti9n while ignoring evolution is how we got here. As long as it survives in a host it is mutating and getting stronger.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:52 pm to NorthPark
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If it survives in a host or not it is going to die so it becomes more contagious. Your comment about it is called natural selecti9n while ignoring evolution is how we got here.
I'm really not sure what part of a virus evolving/mutating to kill it's host is in conflict with natural selection you don't understand. But I'm tied of repeating myself.
Otherwise, we would not be here. This isn't the first time a mutating virus has hit the world, they have existed longer than recorded history. They all follow the same path and the reason is natural selection. A dead host = dead virus that doesn't spread. Natural selection.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 4:13 pm to NorthPark
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they have 11 named covid variants. While we are both correct I am not sure you realize the point I am trying to make.
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No, we aren't both correct. I told you it mutated many many times, even from the start, and that's what happened. They don't become "named" strains until they are one of the most dominate strains in an area.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 4:20 pm to 3down10
It isn't that simple. A host has ample opportunities to spread the virus before they have any clue they have the virus. The world's population is much larger than the number of covid deaths so suggesting this is nearly over is ignoring the reality of what is happening in the world.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 5:08 pm to NorthPark
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It isn't that simple. A host has ample opportunities to spread the virus before they have any clue they have the virus. The world's population is much larger than the number of covid deaths so suggesting this is nearly over is ignoring the reality of what is happening in the world.
What you are ignoring is that other strains exist at the same time. And because they do not kill the hosts, they are the ones that are more likely to spread. Because they are active for longer periods of time.
After a person is exposed to one strain, they gain immunity from the deadlier strain. Which as I've said before, is the basis for vaccines to start with.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 5:37 pm to 3down10
And yet the medical staff in Texas is stating the people filling the hospital beds are unvaccinated. The Delta is more contagious and the medical field has stated that. Abbott is going to try to import medical staff to help out. Two Stories of people having to drive nearly 200 miles for an empty bed. Florida is breaking records and La is losing ground.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 5:44 pm to NorthPark
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And yet the medical staff in Texas is stating the people filling the hospital beds are unvaccinated. The Delta is more contagious and the medical field has stated that. Abbott is going to try to import medical staff to help out. Two Stories of people having to drive nearly 200 miles for an empty bed. Florida is breaking records and La is losing ground.
Yes, more contagious, but not as deadly. You can look at the numbers and see. There is always a 2 week delay from cases and deaths, but thankfully the cases to death ratio has been much much lower than previously.
I'm not sorry if a weaker virus and less deaths somehow cramps whatever the frick it is you are trying to preach here.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 6:00 pm to 3down10
I'm not trying to preach anything, The ONLY reason we are in our conversation is you addressed a post from several days ago. A post where I articulated, "I'm not going to suggest this is accurate but most of the data is showing ABOUT 98 percent of the people dying f..." a
Posted on 8/10/21 at 6:20 pm to NorthPark
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I'm not trying to preach anything, The ONLY reason we are in our conversation is you addressed a post from several days ago. A post where I articulated, "I'm not going to suggest this is accurate but most of the data is showing ABOUT 98 percent of the people dying f..." a
Yeah, you said 98% of vaccinated people survive. All I did was point out that number was bullshite because even those who aren't vaccinated survive 99.8% of the time. I'm pretty sure vaccines aren't meant to lower the survival rate as your bullshite number claimed.
Since then it's been you making shite up and doing everything else to avoid admitting you are wrong.
I'm guessing you must be a woman, as they never know how to admit when they are wrong.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 6:28 pm to 3down10
If you don't like what I Have to say why do you think being condescending is going to end this? IT hasn't worked yet if you want to make posts addressed to me I am going to respond to it. You are welcome to hang up and or move on down the road.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 6:41 pm to NorthPark
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If you don't like what I Have to say why do you think being condescending is going to end this? IT hasn't worked yet if you want to make posts addressed to me I am going to respond to it. You are welcome to hang up and or move on down the road.
Ok Karen, do you want to see the management?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:06 pm to 3down10
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All I did was point out that number was bullshite because even those who aren't vaccinated survive 99.8% of the time.
634,636 deaths in 36,888,508 cases is a death rate of 1.72%. Your number is slightly off by 1.5%. Not gonna call it bullshite, just a tad less than accurate. The 0.2/99.8% figure is the percentage of Americans who've died from it, regardless if they've had it or not.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:52 pm to MoarKilometers
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634,636 deaths in 36,888,508 cases is a death rate of 1.72%. Your number is slightly off by 1.5%. Not gonna call it bullshite, just a tad less than accurate. The 0.2/99.8% figure is the percentage of Americans who've died from it, regardless if they've had it or not.
You are using the wrong formula. You are only counting known cases vs deaths.
The real formula they use for these things includes estimated number of cases that were not tested for. And that is about 0.2% for covid and 0.1% for the flu. So about twice as deadly as the flu.
And while they may seem like lower numbers, and they are in terms of individual risk, when applied to the population you get very large numbers of deaths, 700k in the US alone.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 9:51 pm to 3down10
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You are using the wrong formula. You are only counting known cases vs deaths.
It would take 317,318,000 cases to be a 0.2% death rate with 634,636 deaths.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 10:10 pm to MoarKilometers
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It would take 317,318,000 cases to be a 0.2% death rate with 634,636 deaths.
The number isn't 0.2% exactly, it's a bit higher than that. 0.234% or whatever.
But yeah you aren't far off, almost the entire population of the US.
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