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Thoughts on the U.S. having a Space Force
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:44 pm
Curious what everyone thinks about it, besides that it is BadAss, any thoughts to what is behind it? Do you feel that it is stupid?
Just curious, let me know
Just curious, let me know
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Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:53 pm to momentoftruth87
If it becomes some Enders Game shite that would be badass. If it's a bunch of guys drinking Mountain Dew and having Star Fox tournaments at least the AF can finally make fun of someone.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:59 pm to momentoftruth87
I wouldn't get too excited. I like reading space stuff, us exploring, NASA, and so on.
However, I tend to agree with the following excerpt. Trump is a lot of style with rarely any substance and this is probably just more of the same from a disorganized administration. IMO.
However, I tend to agree with the following excerpt. Trump is a lot of style with rarely any substance and this is probably just more of the same from a disorganized administration. IMO.
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The Space Force and the White House’s rollout for it are the most focused exercises in Trumpian branding the nation has seen since the president took office, a project reminiscent of Trump University. Trump is selling the public one idea—a glitzy, pathbreaking new wing of government—and giving it instead a potentially kludgy reorganization of existing government functions.
Trump first announced the Space Force, which he says will be a sixth, co-equal branch of the military, in June, when he signed a space-policy directive. But that directive didn’t even mention the Space Force, nor was it totally clear how it would work. As my colleague Marina Koren has reported, many top commanders in the military (including Secretary of Defense James Mattis) opposed the plan, arguing that the Pentagon already had the right infrastructure in place to achieve what Trump wanted: the ability to defend American interests in space. There’s even an existing Air Force Space Command.
This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:38 am to momentoftruth87
fricking ridiculous. I'm all for increasing funding for NASA, but Space Force is an embarrassment.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:53 am to pvilleguru
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I'm all for increasing funding for NASA, but Space Force is an embarrassment.
^^^^
This!
By international treaty, space is neutral like Switzerland
Make it a nationalistic issue and open the door for the commies like Korea and Russia to shift to high gear. Do you really want this guy in space (militaristic, as he is already in space in mental capacity)
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:10 am to momentoftruth87
Man went from using horse and buggy as the most technologically advanced means of transportation to landing humans on the moon within a span of +/- 60 years.
From there we've made advances, but nothing **publicly on the scale that we should have in terms of continued advanced developments.
We're fooling ourselves if we don't think that Zero point energy, Anti gravity/Propulsion technology, etc. that would shatter the minds of 95% of the uninformed, or **most**, doesnt exist and isn't out there.
The name "Space Force" alone sounds like something a child came up with, but don't be so eager to believe that technology that would revolutionize the way that we as a species live isn't out there and isn't being suppressed from the mass public. It is and it's in the hands of various groups around the world and has been for decades.
And that information comes from some very prominent men high within the U.S government (U.S Airforce & others) and multiple whistle blowers that have come forward that have managed or been a part of some of these Black projects going back to at least the 1950's.
From there we've made advances, but nothing **publicly on the scale that we should have in terms of continued advanced developments.
We're fooling ourselves if we don't think that Zero point energy, Anti gravity/Propulsion technology, etc. that would shatter the minds of 95% of the uninformed, or **most**, doesnt exist and isn't out there.
The name "Space Force" alone sounds like something a child came up with, but don't be so eager to believe that technology that would revolutionize the way that we as a species live isn't out there and isn't being suppressed from the mass public. It is and it's in the hands of various groups around the world and has been for decades.
And that information comes from some very prominent men high within the U.S government (U.S Airforce & others) and multiple whistle blowers that have come forward that have managed or been a part of some of these Black projects going back to at least the 1950's.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:33 am to momentoftruth87
Complete waste of money
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:59 am to pvilleguru
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fricking ridiculous. I'm all for increasing funding for NASA, but Space Force is an embarrassment.
This. NASA is perfectly sufficient. Much cheaper to throw more money their way than create an entire new branch.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:07 am to momentoftruth87
Air Force has a space command. We have NASA.
The Pentagon is already on top of things, this just means we will spend a lot more money duplicating efforts already being done.
There may come a point in time where we will need a Space Force. Starting that branch now, however, is like Lincoln starting an Air Force in the Civil War. Nice idea but its going to a long while before we really need it.
The Pentagon is already on top of things, this just means we will spend a lot more money duplicating efforts already being done.
There may come a point in time where we will need a Space Force. Starting that branch now, however, is like Lincoln starting an Air Force in the Civil War. Nice idea but its going to a long while before we really need it.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:35 am to Arksulli
Yeah, I just see it being shut down in a few years. Navy has Spaware too iirc.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:44 am to Arksulli
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Lincoln starting an Air Force in the Civil War.
09/19/1873 = Montgolfier brother's test unmanned balloon
10/15/1783 = First manned balloon tested
02/04/1861 = CSA Formed
03/04/1861 = Abe sworn in
06/11/1861 = Lowe meets with Abe to discuss balloons
The Union Balloon Corps served the Union army from 61' to 63' but it was a commercial contractor, not part of the actual army I believe.
Imagine if Abe had funded an air branch of the Union army that early. It may have evolved from just an observer / mapping role to actually droppin bombs on the enemy.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 12:10 pm to momentoftruth87
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Do you feel that it is stupid?
Yes. I think Trump is extremely impulsive and came up with the idea while he was making the speech. He talks off the cuff far more than he plans what he will say and this is a consequence of what happens when we put a space cadet in the Oval Office.
Space = NASA. Force = Military. There is no way of and no purpose for combining the two.
I'm sure the Chinese and the Russians are laughing their asses off.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 12:13 pm to Kentucker
I could support a better space division or program, but I think a force is dumb. Hell, the Army can't even meet recruiting targets, idk how you could have the other branches and support another one. Tbh I'm surprised the Marine Corps has lasted as long as it has.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 12:21 pm to TRUERockyTop
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We're fooling ourselves if we don't think that Zero point energy, Anti gravity/Propulsion technology, etc. that would shatter the minds of 95% of the uninformed, or **most**, doesnt exist and isn't out there.
Physics says you're wrong. No fooling.
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The name "Space Force" alone sounds like something a child came up with, but don't be so eager to believe that technology that would revolutionize the way that we as a species live isn't out there and isn't being suppressed from the mass public. It is and it's in the hands of various groups around the world and has been for decades.
You don't understand how the science community works. Except in totalitarian societies, science research doesn't observe political boundaries. Even the Chinese participate in world wide scientific projects. Any society that insulates its science research community quickly falls behind. The Soviet Union was a perfect example of that.
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And that information comes from some very prominent men high within the U.S government (U.S Airforce & others) and multiple whistle blowers that have come forward that have managed or been a part of some of these Black projects going back to at least the 1950's.
Good lord. I didn't take you to be a conspiracy theorist.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 12:45 pm to Kentucker
To be frank I couldn't care less what you take or don't take me for. I'm not going to argue with you via the OT on the SEC Rant over what's taken me years to discover on my own.
We'll all have our day of enlightenment in this life or the next.
We'll all have our day of enlightenment in this life or the next.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 12:55 pm to TRUERockyTop
Posted on 8/13/18 at 1:10 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 8/13/18 at 1:19 pm to TRUERockyTop
You know Arkansas has a space program...
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:30 pm to Kentucker
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Space = NASA. Force = Military. There is no way of and no purpose for combining the two.
Well... in all honesty NASA and the military have gone along hand in hand since the birth of the space program. Its not that you can't combine the two... its that the two have a great working relationship that is the model of inter-agency cooperation. Combining them any further would just screw things up.
Many Astronauts, at one point all Astronauts, come from a military background... usually the Navy and Air Force with the rare Marine Aviator sneaking in. While its not like that now NASA still happily takes military Astronauts which the services seem to be happy to give to them.
NASA helped build the space infrastructure that our modern military depends on every day while military research has helped to advance NASA's technology. NASA gets along with the 7 uniformed services (if the Space Force ever happens it would be the 8th) about as well as any government agency does with the military and a lot better then some.
NASA and the military have a well established working relationship that has consistently delivered results at a high level. NASA has the international connections to other space organizations and scientific research. The Military has the money and manpower to help NASA. Its one of the few places you can look at the government and say "Yep, they're doing it about as well as it can be done."
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:36 pm to Arksulli
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The Military has the money and manpower to help NASA.
This is the only point which I will contend.
The U.S. military budget for next year is $700 billion. NASA's budget is $20 billion. I don't know of any sharing of money between the two agencies, or of any mutual research. Perhaps you could expound upon that point.
The U.S. space program is no longer astronaut oriented. It isn't practical or safe to send people into space. It's also garishly expensive.
Both NASA and the military recognize, at least behind closed doors, that AI is the future. NASA's focus is robotic telescopes and other-world landers. Who knows what the military is spending its incredible budget on.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 8:37 pm
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