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re: The Immigration Crisis.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:05 pm to momentoftruth87
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:05 pm to momentoftruth87
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It might seem selfish, but frick them. I have no pitty for someone who breaks the law to come here and take away from my family and friends.
jesus fricking christ. If this is the general level of knowledge/understanding concerning immigration it will be impossible to ever create reasonable immigration reform that has a chance of sticking.
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:32 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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If this is the general level of knowledge/understanding concerning immigration it will be impossible to ever create reasonable immigration reform that has a chance of sticking.
No one cares if people come legally, but people who are coming illegally are doing so consciously. They know they don't meet the educational, financial or situational requirements to enter. The problem is: When someone is illegal and they get arrested, they can easily use a fake name -- many of them do. But let's not even say that -- let's take my example. An illegal immigrant stole my identity a few years back and used my name and address for an ambulance ride.
The clinic/EMT can't deny him service, and he doesn't have ID but he has enough of my information that all they can do is give him the benefit of the doubt. So now I'm stuck with a 2,000 dollar EMT bill and I have absolutely no idea why because I wasn't even in the country when it happened. At least, that was until they arrested him and guess what? He doesn't have money to pay, they don't know his name, he says he's Mexican and as far as I know he was deported.
Most people set standards for people to enter their home, I can't see a logical argument being made for a population regarding their country.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:48 pm to The Spleen
There is all kinds of wrong with your post.
First off the 20 Day limit is way off. The child can only be held in a restrictive setting for only 72 Hours, at which time the children must be handed over to HHS to handle their security and care if they cannot be reunited with their parents.
No one said catch and release is a violation of the court order, but it is a run around of enforcing the law. The proverbial "can" being kicked down the road. The problem continues to exist and needs to be dealt with by someone.
Any child with a parent(s) that are being processed for a crime and must be removed from a restrictive setting within 72 hours are in fact an unaccompanied minor.
Which is not in violation of the ruling or the law. They are not processing adults for a crime if they come through the appointed processing center. It is the ones who are choosing to illegally cross in areas where they hope not to be detected. That is a crime.
LOL
From a 2015 Article. I chose it for obvious reasons.
84% do not appear at the final decision
Secure the border, get the word out you will be prosecuted crossing illegally whether you have children or not. Then put efforts toward fixing the immigration processes that are streamlined, and helps promote legal immigration practices. If we keep bypassing or sidestepping laws to make ourselves feel better than the problem will continue to exist. Children are being exploited at the border by their families and strangers. Children coming into custody with plan B and birth control meds because they know they will most likely be raped. That's happening because of poor policy term after term. Someone has to make tough decisions. I hate it for the children, but their exploitation increased due to catch and release, and minimal enforcement.
First off the 20 Day limit is way off. The child can only be held in a restrictive setting for only 72 Hours, at which time the children must be handed over to HHS to handle their security and care if they cannot be reunited with their parents.
No one said catch and release is a violation of the court order, but it is a run around of enforcing the law. The proverbial "can" being kicked down the road. The problem continues to exist and needs to be dealt with by someone.
Any child with a parent(s) that are being processed for a crime and must be removed from a restrictive setting within 72 hours are in fact an unaccompanied minor.
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The children are now being held separately because of a specific policy this administration has adopted
Which is not in violation of the ruling or the law. They are not processing adults for a crime if they come through the appointed processing center. It is the ones who are choosing to illegally cross in areas where they hope not to be detected. That is a crime.
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I saw a Tweet today, and haven't yet verified it, that the majority of these parents did actually show up for their hearing
LOL
From a 2015 Article. I chose it for obvious reasons.
84% do not appear at the final decision
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The report states that 35,695 illegal alien adults with children were apprehended illegally at the U.S. border and were subsequently released without being detained between July 18, 2014 and May 26, 2015. Of these, 12,441 have had final rulings on their immigration cases.
About 11,516 of these adults were given orders of removal by an immigration judge. Among these, 10,436 -- about 84 percent of the total number of completed cases -- were ordered removed in absentia, meaning they did not show up to court as scheduled.
Secure the border, get the word out you will be prosecuted crossing illegally whether you have children or not. Then put efforts toward fixing the immigration processes that are streamlined, and helps promote legal immigration practices. If we keep bypassing or sidestepping laws to make ourselves feel better than the problem will continue to exist. Children are being exploited at the border by their families and strangers. Children coming into custody with plan B and birth control meds because they know they will most likely be raped. That's happening because of poor policy term after term. Someone has to make tough decisions. I hate it for the children, but their exploitation increased due to catch and release, and minimal enforcement.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:49 pm to PhilipMarlowe
I was talking about ILLEGALS.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yea this is why the country is growing more polarized.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:38 pm to KSGamecock
I understand, though, that optically it doesn't pan out well. What I don't understand is why people blame the government/Trump for doing exactly what he fricking said he was going to do. They hated Trump before the election for his race comments, and now that he's actively enforcing laws that are already written they're pretending or are shocked.
Kids can't go with their arrested parents, it sucks -- but don't do things that you can get arrested for.
Kids can't go with their arrested parents, it sucks -- but don't do things that you can get arrested for.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Are you sure you're a Marxist? You don't sound like one.
As you said, Trump is enforcing the same laws Obama did. People are angry about it because the Media is telling them to be angry, it's the flavor of the month. The clear bias in journalism is dividing this country at an alarming rate.
As you said, Trump is enforcing the same laws Obama did. People are angry about it because the Media is telling them to be angry, it's the flavor of the month. The clear bias in journalism is dividing this country at an alarming rate.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:45 pm to KSGamecock
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The clear bias in journalism is dividing this country at an alarming rate.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:52 pm to KSGamecock
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As the American Marx scholar Hal Draper remarked: "[T]here are few thinkers in modern history whose thought has been so badly misrepresented, by Marxists and anti-Marxists alike".
Classical Marxism is completely different than what these idiotic egalitarians have proposed. Marx dealt with Egalitarianism in his own time and was extremely opposed to it.
That being said: I'm hoping that these are the last, dying breaths of the type of news media we have.
My mom and Grandma are extremely liberal and can't even bear to watch CNN because it's too liberal and obviously one-sided. Similarly, my dad and I who are more or less conservative (I think we both qualify as centrists) can't bear to watch Fox News for the very same reason.
I think people will start up their own media companies with less bias, it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I think people will start up their own media companies with less bias, it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Too costly to get into that market. Even with social media, you couldnt scratch the surface. The major companies know what they have and its very powerful. This is one thing that I feel like the government should get involved with. Not only is it complete bullshite, but other countries watch this shite too on the regular.
And i dont mean that as govt controlled media, but more so there should be fines for behavior and fake news.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:00 pm to momentoftruth87
The Joe Rogan Experience is an example of independent media and trust me, a Youtube following of a couple million isn't any where near what they're making at CNN/FOX but it is quite profitable.
TYT is also an example, but they're so liberal that they make me angry.
TYT is also an example, but they're so liberal that they make me angry.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:11 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Children are taken from their parents(citizens) all the time when police arrest their guardians/parents. Literally take them away. And usually a significant battle for them to get back in the court system. Yet its a world attention needing problem if a non-citizen has the same thing happen temporarily. And the videos of kids crying is a bit over the top. Of course they are going to cry in those situations, hell even if they werent separated they would still be balling.
I dont want to see kids taken from their parents at all, but if a parent commits the act, be prepared for the consequences
I will admit the dems have played this scheme perfectly this time. Lets see if they can extend it another year and half into the primaries or will they have something else to move onto
I dont want to see kids taken from their parents at all, but if a parent commits the act, be prepared for the consequences
I will admit the dems have played this scheme perfectly this time. Lets see if they can extend it another year and half into the primaries or will they have something else to move onto
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 3:10 pm to NYCAuburn
What will it take for Dems to finally tell people: Don't try to come here illegally?
What bothes me is that they're unwilling to even draw lines on this situation. I get compassion, I understand trying to help people -- but America can't help everyone south of the border, eventually these people need to improve their own countries and standard of living.
That they are completely unwilling is the real tragedy.
What bothes me is that they're unwilling to even draw lines on this situation. I get compassion, I understand trying to help people -- but America can't help everyone south of the border, eventually these people need to improve their own countries and standard of living.
That they are completely unwilling is the real tragedy.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 3:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
JRE is always a great listen
TYT I can only tolerate in small doses but I like to at least get a taste of what those diametrically opposed to me are thinking.
Home base for me is probably a loose amalgamation of offerings from the Daily Wire, Steven Crowder, Jordan Peterson, and Dave Rubin.
Oh, and Bill Burr's comedy podcast or Double Toasted's movie review shows. Those two skew political sometimes but not to the point where it drives me away.
TYT I can only tolerate in small doses but I like to at least get a taste of what those diametrically opposed to me are thinking.
Home base for me is probably a loose amalgamation of offerings from the Daily Wire, Steven Crowder, Jordan Peterson, and Dave Rubin.
Oh, and Bill Burr's comedy podcast or Double Toasted's movie review shows. Those two skew political sometimes but not to the point where it drives me away.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 3:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What will it take for Dems to finally tell people: Don't try to come here illegally?
The opposite is what they're angling for. Most of them now are walking right up to the line of open borders and then stopping just short.
They'll step across said line if/when they feel they have sufficient political/media support. Full court press at the moment.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
TYT is intolerable for me outside of a few minutes because Cenk is just an obvious, unabashed liar. Sort of in the same vein as the Islamic idea that it's okay to lie/cheat/steal as long as your target is the unbeliever.
But I'm all about Burr, Rogan and the like. I just really hope more News (specifically news) podcasts come out and eat into those conventional channels.
But I'm all about Burr, Rogan and the like. I just really hope more News (specifically news) podcasts come out and eat into those conventional channels.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:13 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Whoa nelly. I just don't believe you is all, because I'm jaded from reading fake stories on the internet. You can film them if you'd like, but I honestly don't care all that much.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:47 am to cas4t
I'm just saying -- if you need actual evidence I can provide, I don't mind. It might take me a day or two because I obviously don't want to get caught by them/by their handlers filming them. The people who will be really difficult are the taxi drivers, people who prepare food/randoms that just start spilling the beans the minute I tell them I'm American.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I mean, that actually does seem pretty interesting. I'll leave it up to you.
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