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The Immigration Crisis.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:59 pm
So now, every few days I hear new stories of the inhumane treatment of immigrants heading their way to America, and living in Mexico City I have a bit of a different perspective. You would think I'd be a little more sympathetic but honestly, I can't find even an ounce. I live near an area where immigrants are living in Mexico City, stranded here while they were trying to get to America.
I talk with them regularly, never give them money or food, but I talk. Frequently, I meet single parents, criminals and the maimed with the occasional spattering of families and legitimate workers.
I ask them: Don't you think President Trump has been especially lucid regarding his plans for immigration? I mean, it's not like this is a shock or surprise, he made a pledge to uphold existing laws.
Most of them seem to think they're making some sort of point, and then I see these stories -- I don't think America is to blame for the suffering. Countries like Mexico and the majority of Central America which are rife with corruption, crime and violence are the problem.
I always ask them: Why not come here to Mexico, like me? They generally don't have an answer, but some are quick to say it's too dangerous, there are too many criminals and it's always struck me as ironic because it's exactly what Trump has always said.
Just some food for thought, a little discussion. I needed to get this off of my chest.
I talk with them regularly, never give them money or food, but I talk. Frequently, I meet single parents, criminals and the maimed with the occasional spattering of families and legitimate workers.
I ask them: Don't you think President Trump has been especially lucid regarding his plans for immigration? I mean, it's not like this is a shock or surprise, he made a pledge to uphold existing laws.
Most of them seem to think they're making some sort of point, and then I see these stories -- I don't think America is to blame for the suffering. Countries like Mexico and the majority of Central America which are rife with corruption, crime and violence are the problem.
I always ask them: Why not come here to Mexico, like me? They generally don't have an answer, but some are quick to say it's too dangerous, there are too many criminals and it's always struck me as ironic because it's exactly what Trump has always said.
Just some food for thought, a little discussion. I needed to get this off of my chest.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 2:29 pm
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Don't feel bad. Don't cross into another nation illegally. I feel bad for the kids, but that's not Trump's fault, it was their parents. I have no problem with imigration, my wife was a legal imigrant and now citizen, but do it lawful. These people who want freedom start it illegally, and most have to continue illegal acts to survive here.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:31 pm to momentoftruth87
Even worse, whenever I talk to people who were deported (there are tons here), it's almost always for DUI.
Driving with no license while drunk. I know it's anecdotal, but it's literally the only reason I've heard from dozens of people who have been deported. I've never heard of "I was just walking down the street, minding my own business..."
If President Trump had been ambiguous, it'd be a different story.
Driving with no license while drunk. I know it's anecdotal, but it's literally the only reason I've heard from dozens of people who have been deported. I've never heard of "I was just walking down the street, minding my own business..."
If President Trump had been ambiguous, it'd be a different story.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:35 pm to momentoftruth87
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do it lawful
I think one problem is many of these people are trying to do it lawfully by arriving at the border and requesting asylum due to the conditions in their home countries they are fleeing, and they're having their kids taken from them and/or denied asylum under this administration's zero tolerance policy. Also, crossing the border is a simple misdemeanor for first time offenders. Let's not act like they're committing murder. They're simply looking for a better place to raise their kids. Amazing how quickly this country has abandoned basic humanity.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:47 pm to The Spleen
Any other country they'd be shot or put in worse conditions. We need to put more accountability on Mexico. The media should be asking questions of why it's this bad and put even more pressure on Mexico.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:49 pm to The Spleen
Them wanting a better life for their kids' isn't the responsibility of America, which holds the right to reject "asylum" seekers (I had a student who falsely applied in Canada and was banned from ever returning).
If America took every economic immigrant seeking asylum from poverty America would have literally millions of people applying every day.
They need to improve their own communities rather than trying to take advantage of America's.
If America took every economic immigrant seeking asylum from poverty America would have literally millions of people applying every day.
They need to improve their own communities rather than trying to take advantage of America's.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:50 pm to momentoftruth87
We can have a tough immigration policy while also showing immigrants some basic human compassion.
Or at least I thought we could. I think maybe that ship has sailed.
Or at least I thought we could. I think maybe that ship has sailed.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:52 pm to The Spleen
Not being a dick and cold hearted, but that's our biggest problem. We put others ahead of ourselves. It might seem selfish, but frick them. I have no pitty for someone who breaks the law to come here and take away from my family and friends.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Them wanting a better life for their kids' isn't the responsibility of America,
Never said it was. I'm only saying we should take that into account when we choose the words we use to describe them. Animals, rapists, murderers, etc., only attemtp to dehumanize them in an effort to discredit their claim for asylum.
Like I said, I think it's possible to have a stringent immigration policy while also showing some basic human compassion.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:58 pm to The Spleen
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They're simply looking for a better place to raise their kids
Or, don't have kids if you can't provide for and protect them in your current situation. Stop trying to justify poor judgement.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:01 pm to navynuke
Yep. That's another problem Americans need to fix as well. Don't have a fkn kid if you can't give them the best life possible.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:02 pm to momentoftruth87
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take away from my family and friends.
What have they taken from you?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:05 pm to The Spleen
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We can have a tough immigration policy while also showing immigrants some basic human compassion.
Allowing anyone who crosses our borders illegally to stay is counter-productive and the antithesis of a tough immigration policy. Illegal aliens are breaking our laws by crossing into the US without permission and are being incarcerated.
Our courts have ruled that the children of adults who are charged with criminal acts cannot be incarcerated with them. Therefore, the children are being kept separate from those people who illegally transported them across our border. To do otherwise would be to violate the courts' rulings.
The most humane thing that can be done in this situation is to quickly deport the illegal aliens back to Mexico, since they crossed the border from Mexico, along with their children.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:07 pm to The Spleen
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What have they taken from you?
This is one I'm not answering because this isn't the board for it. I've already put out my feelings and recommendations. If you'd like you can Google them and educate yourself better on those topics.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:12 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
So what position are the conserve-tards taking now?
Y'all spent the last few weeks defending seperating kids from their parents and throwing them in cages.
Will y'all now reverse course and admit its a shitty thing we were doing so y'all can keep on keeping on with blindly following trump?
Y'all spent the last few weeks defending seperating kids from their parents and throwing them in cages.
Will y'all now reverse course and admit its a shitty thing we were doing so y'all can keep on keeping on with blindly following trump?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:14 pm to BowlJackson
It is shitty. We need to take them back on the other side of a secure boarder. Have you asked these kids who they blame? Bet it's the United States, not their parents.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:20 pm to momentoftruth87
And just so most of you know, feeling good about helping others means nothing when the rest of the world hates us and yet still takes our money. The world doesn't give two shits about this situation, they are more concerned about blaming Donald Trump and why he's the one "personally" doing this to these people. But back to the first point, we are huge suckers who fund other countries and get nothing in return.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
They are not being treated inhumane. Is it unsettling? Yes.
But, let's not lose the fact that they are breaking the law, and most citizens just wants the laws of the land enforced.
I'm glad to see Trump trying to work on this issue at least. No one else has.
There should be a simple way to take the people that come into the country, quarantine them till they can be vetted fully, then determine if they can enter or must leave, and do all of that in a few days time for each case.
But they would have to enter legally, if they are trying to sneak into this country, they be returned without the above process.
But, let's not lose the fact that they are breaking the law, and most citizens just wants the laws of the land enforced.
I'm glad to see Trump trying to work on this issue at least. No one else has.
There should be a simple way to take the people that come into the country, quarantine them till they can be vetted fully, then determine if they can enter or must leave, and do all of that in a few days time for each case.
But they would have to enter legally, if they are trying to sneak into this country, they be returned without the above process.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:20 pm to Kentucker
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Our courts have ruled that the children of adults who are charged with criminal acts cannot be incarcerated with them. Therefore, the children are being kept separate from those people who illegally transported them across our border. To do otherwise would be to violate the courts' rulings.
A lot wrong with this statement. One, the court ruling siad the kids couldn't be held with the parents or more than 20 days. The children are now being held separately because of a specific policy this administration has adopted, not because of the court ruling. The prior administration practiced catch and release under the condition the parent reported to their asylum hearing. I saw a Tweet today, and haven't yet verified it, that the majority of these parents did actually show up for their hearing. This policy was not in violation of the court order.
The prior administration did house children in detention centers, but these children were also all exclusively ones apprehended as unaccompanied minors. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now.
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The most humane thing that can be done in this situation is to quickly deport the illegal aliens back to Mexico
That would be in violation of current law if they request asylum and qualify.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:21 pm to kywildcatfanone
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