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re: The Death Penalty
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:06 am to sorantable
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:06 am to sorantable
i've somewhat soured on my opinion of the death penalty over the last few years.
still not completely against it at this point, but i'm much bigger on redemption than retribution. our church is about 40 miles away from the women's state prison and parishioners from our church go in there and meet with some of the women on death row. there's been some fantastic stories of women who were waiting for the needle with a lot of hate in their heart, who had the opportunity, through Christ, to seek forgiveness from the families of those they murdered and go to the chair at peace. doesn't mean that they shouldn't pay for their crimes, but it puts a spin on it when you know that there's some sorrow for their actions.
i don't know how to make it where somebody who gets life without parole isn't a dredge on society, but i'd like to see if that's an option.
still not completely against it at this point, but i'm much bigger on redemption than retribution. our church is about 40 miles away from the women's state prison and parishioners from our church go in there and meet with some of the women on death row. there's been some fantastic stories of women who were waiting for the needle with a lot of hate in their heart, who had the opportunity, through Christ, to seek forgiveness from the families of those they murdered and go to the chair at peace. doesn't mean that they shouldn't pay for their crimes, but it puts a spin on it when you know that there's some sorrow for their actions.
i don't know how to make it where somebody who gets life without parole isn't a dredge on society, but i'd like to see if that's an option.
This post was edited on 9/30/15 at 10:07 am
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Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:07 am to CatFan81
quote:Why do we aspire to be like them? We're suppose to be better, correct?
If you say so. Tell me why Western European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc don't use capital punishment.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:09 am to MSUbulldogs03
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We're suppose to be better, correct?
No.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:15 am to MSUbulldogs03
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Why do we aspire to be like them? We're suppose to be better, correct?
i have no desire to aspire to be like any of those nations.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:17 am to 3nOut
I'm not against it, at all. And while many truly do repent and find redemption, it doesn't mean they don't still face worldly consequences for their actions. I'm truly thankful for those that do find eternal redemption, but man cannot genuinely know what is in a persons heart as God can.
A civilized country has laws and civilized people abide by those laws. This country openly accepts the death penalty as a punishment and people that commit crimes that can be punished by it are aware beforehand. Comparing other countries' unwillingness to accept this punishment is a curious argument. Would you also accept the way they treat their murderers in prison and profess that we should also do that? Should we be as "unbackwards" as say, Norway?
A civilized country has laws and civilized people abide by those laws. This country openly accepts the death penalty as a punishment and people that commit crimes that can be punished by it are aware beforehand. Comparing other countries' unwillingness to accept this punishment is a curious argument. Would you also accept the way they treat their murderers in prison and profess that we should also do that? Should we be as "unbackwards" as say, Norway?
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Besides enjoying views of the surrounding fjord, they go horseback riding and throw barbecues, and have access to a movie theater, tanning bed and, during winter, two ski jumps. Lars' neighbors often conceal the reasons they are there, but, as in any small community, word gets around. "I try to be as nice to the pedophiles as I am to the drug dealers," he says. Despite all its trappings, Bastoy island isn't an exclusive resort: it's a prison.
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"They are among the worst criminals in Norway. They are murderers, they are rapists, they are Hells Angels," says Nilsen. "But they keep the whole society alive and running."
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:22 am to CatFan81
Yeah, you're a beta retard.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:22 am to sorantable
I'm not against it in principal. But I find myself losing faith in the judicial system when it comes to legitimately finding someone guilty of a case that warrants the death penalty. I also think you have to consider the cost of the death penalty vs. incarceration (the cost of death penalty appeals because it's a capital case is ridiculous).
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:45 am to CatFan81
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If you say so. Tell me why Western European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc don't use capital punishment.
Why don't they all have free speech?
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:46 am to CatFan81
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We're not civilized compared to most of the first world.
bullshite.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 11:35 am to MSUbulldogs03
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Yeah, you're a beta retard.
Awww. You just made me cry girl tears.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:02 pm to CatFan81
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She wasn't there when he was murdered. She was out with friends while the murder took place, IIRC.
You're correct. She was at a party. According to her co-defendant, however, she met him after the murder and they torched the victim's car.
I still don't understand why she was given the death penalty. The article alludes to it as motivation to get her to confess and accept life without parole. When she refused the deal, I suppose the prosecutors had no option but to continue with the death penalty trial.
I followed the trial in the local paper and Ms. Gissendaner was certainly not a defendant for whom people felt sympathy. That's no reason to execute her, but I think her personality played at least a small part in her conviction.
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Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:54 pm to Alahunter
My issue with the death penalty is no oppertunity for the state to correct mistakes once the person is dead. The judicial system cannot be perfect but it needs to be if you're going to strip away a person's right to life.
In theory I'm not opposed to it but in practice I don't trust the mechanism to allow the state such power.
In theory I'm not opposed to it but in practice I don't trust the mechanism to allow the state such power.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:02 pm to sorantable
The death penalty serves no purpose other than to satisfy people's blood lust.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:07 pm to Duke
quote:But you can correct the mistakes when a person loses everything in their life and is raped in a lonely cell for 10 years?
My issue with the death penalty is no oppertunity for the state to correct mistakes once the person is dead
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:29 pm to genro
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But you can correct the mistakes when a person loses everything in their life and is raped in a lonely cell for 10 years?
Better than you can trying to revive a corpse.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:52 pm to CatFan81
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If you say so. Tell me why Western European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc don't use capital punishment.
Because they're bleeding heart pussies.
Besides, I do not aspire to be like western Europe. They will be overrun and assimilated by Islam within the next 50 years because they are spineless and refuse to do anything about it. Let them lie in their progressive bed.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are not in Western Europe.
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