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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...

Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:39 pm to
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:39 pm to
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One noted that if you're under 40 and have NO immunity issues, you're chances of death are <0.01%. This virus is very deadly to specific people


What "specific" people?

Do you count on the "unlikely to die" to wear masks so that the "likely to die" don't die?

True or not, if you have a bunch of 28 year old nurses and 35 year old doctors going to games, then getting it... are you going to say it was worth it when you get a letter saying your grandmother is dead?
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:42 pm to
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Well, just the nature of the beast. Trump nor any other politician can control microscopic entities.


They can NOT pretend it's a hoax, and NOT eliminate the position designed to help combat pandemics, and NOT ignore their own security briefings and intelligence agencies.

There's a reason a lot of countries... hell, almost all of them... are doing way better against this than we are.
Posted by Diogenes
Woodstock, Georgia
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:48 pm to
According to the Mayo Clinic - However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

LINK To the Mayo Clinic
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:54 pm to
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They can NOT pretend it's a hoax,


Who did this?

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NOT eliminate the position designed to help combat pandemics,


Which position was that? You really need to stop getting your information from DL Hughley and Bette Middler LINK

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hell, almost all of them...


France,Belgium,Spain UK and Italy all have
more deaths per capita and higher death rates per case.

If you wanna believe numbers coming by out
of Iran,China and Russia are accurate be my guest.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:24 am to
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Which position was that?


The Global Health Security and Biodefense unit

You really need to stop getting your information from Breitbart and Limbaugh.

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France,Belgium,Spain UK and Italy all have
more deaths per capita and higher death rates per case.


8 countries out of over 200 sovereign states have worse mortality rates. I'd say that implies that "almost all of them" are doing better than the US. Even if we presume the three you listed are lying, that's puts only 11 countries doing worse than the US.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:30 am to
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Other Countries with more intelligent LEADERSHIP have managed this thing better than the US has


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So we should slow testing...US has performed more than double the test than the next closest country.


We only JUST reached that mark. We were WAY behind other countries, like South Korea, in this regard. That's what happens when a virus gets treated like a political matter - people debate it, and the virus doesn't give a shite.
Posted by Dusted
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:40 am to
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Here's an Article for you and all the Trumpf-tards underestimating this fricking PANDEMIC I mean seriously, what part of PANDEMIC do you not understand?

You do realize it would’ve never reached a PANDEMIC had your democrat governors not sent COVID positive patients back into nursing homes right? 42% of all deaths have been in nursing homes. You’re a goddamned pussy to still be worried about this bullshite PANDEMIC.
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
14860 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:52 am to
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How many countries have achieved herd immunity so far?

Is the immunity gaining fast traction? Or is the idea herd immunity can work gaining fast traction?

There is an important distinction between the two. I would love it, but hope by itself is not a strategy.


If all people get it at the same time will it prevent virus from spreading to anyone that are immune already in a month after getting infected? So the virus dies or still going on in peoples bodies until the immunity wears off in a couple of months? Then it starts all over again. I am not sure this will work. Some might die and others might have health issues after getting it.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50261 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 2:04 am to
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I mean seriously, what part of PANDEMIC do you not understand?


All pandemic means is that it affects multiple countries. The flu is a pandemic every single year. You seem to be the one who doesn't understand what that word means.

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Don't Underestimate This Virus


Not possible. It is leaving almost everyone in the world alone. Based on the data we have, only people who should normally take precautions anyway should be concerned about this virus.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 2:40 am to
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We were WAY behind other countries, like South Korea, in this regard


It's been discussed multiple times but SK turned into a police state with warrantless searches of phone and bank records along with doxing those who tested
positive. No way in Hell it flies in this country.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 3:21 am to
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if you were operating in a vacuum and the problem was to stop this flu virus, then you could go all out. there are consequences to every decision we make. you guys who act like throwing 40 million people out of work to stop a virus THAT CAN'T BE STOPPED are just insane. Even your experts admit that it cannot be stopped! lock down for 2 months, 3 months, 4 months. as soon as you open up, GUESS WHAT? the virus starts spreading again. this stupid countries that keep shutting down over and over, and the ones that think they've stopped it. what happens when they start commerce with other countries again? Yeah, that's right, covid comes back.



You could have saved time and simply typed you were clueless.

This is the biggest problem we have, folks who understand nothing spreading misleading info to other low info folks which feeds into their confirmation bias.

Rolling shutdowns is the best strategy out there, no shutdown was ever intended to stop anything, they are simply to protect the health care systems from being over run and they are working where implemented correctly.

The politicization of this is killing folks and there is plenty of blame for both sides on that one.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 3:25 am to
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The Global Health Security and Biodefense


Did you even read the link? The organization was never "eliminated" it was merged with the NSC.

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Even if we presume the three you listed are lying, that's puts only 11 countries doing worse than the US.


LMAO! I think a whole lot more than 3 were lying and you think multiple 3rd countries
are better at data collection and testing I have no idea what to tell.

The one thing those other countries probably didn't have to deal with was incompetent Govoners ordering CV+ positive patients into elderly living facilities.
Obviously the biggest mistake, that caused the most deaths in this pandemic.

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You really need to stop getting your information from Breitbart and Limbaugh.



I linked Politifact.Do you think they're some right wing source?

BTW,who called CV a hoax? Or are you just admitting you lied about it now?

Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
6995 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 5:13 am to
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That would help explain the growing case rate but steady or declining death and hospitalization rate.
Hospitalization and deaths are both increasing.



Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 6:39 am to
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Rolling shutdowns is the best strategy out there, no shutdown was ever intended to stop anything, they are simply to protect the health care systems from being over run and they are working where implemented correctly.


have you been listening to the health experts and demo governors? they want to stop it. look at the posts in this thread - all the superior beings hollering that we must take steps to stop the spread. you cannot. you are just prolonging the pain.

you're so smart - maybe you can answer this - why do we send people to the hospital? there is no treatment other than ventilators which is a death sentence. other than giving IV's, I don't know why we are exposing health care workers.
Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4332 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 6:52 am to
There is a 99.985 % recovery rate. And if you are younger than 65 with no health issues you have an almost zero chance of dying. Next the statistics in the US and globally say this thing is not an even an epidemic.

Btw if masks work open the economy 100%. If masks don’t work why are they mandating wearing them. Btw masks other than N95 do not work.

Whatever.. riots were all good. Still approved.. singing in Church is not. Tells you all you need to know.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 6:54 am to
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Btw masks other than N95 do not work.

Oh, so you're one of those dumb asses.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:02 am to
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have you been listening to the health experts and demo governors? they want to stop it. look at the posts in this thread - all the superior beings hollering that we must take steps to stop the spread. you cannot. you are just prolonging the pain.


Anyone who believes shutdowns will stop the virus needs to be ignored, they simply lack comprehension of the purpose and are just flapping their lips to hear themselves talk.

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why do we send people to the hospital? there is no treatment other than ventilators which is a death sentence. other than giving IV's, I don't know why we are exposing health care workers.


It is not about protecting the workers themselves it is about maintaining a viable system by protecting it from being overwhelmed, more simply put it is to make sure there is bed space for you should you need it.

People have not stopped having heart attacks, strokes, cancer or anything else, there is no magic wand to add bed space to deal with a novel virus nor the public appetite to build rooms that would stay empty 99% of the time.

Covid-19 is not a hoax nor is it the black plague 2.0 but managing infection rates as best we can and the public taking simple precautions should not be controversial, it should be what we are willing to do as humans to protect the weak among us.

Sadly as this drags on and touches more lives in some way the mouth breathers among us will finally STFU and simply do their bit to help.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:14 am to
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Tidemeister


In your case you acquired herd stupidity. It’s common among the people of your tribe.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
30842 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:29 am to
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RD Dawg



You are correct; I was mistaken regarding some presumptions made.


The hoax was what he referred to the response to it, not the virus. So my apologies.
Posted by Dusted
Member since Jul 2020
49 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:56 am to
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Rolling shutdowns is the best strategy out there, no shutdown was ever intended to stop anything, they are simply to protect the health care systems from being over run and they are working where implemented correctly.

And no healthcare system in the US has ever been at risk of being overrun. I swear some of you clowns don’t even know what the frick is going on out there. You just repeat what CNN tells you. This was the narrative 4 months ago and we haven’t come close to overrunning a hospital.
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