re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...

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Not accurate. The virus would still be here. The numbers are pretty irrelevant in terms of what restrictions would be in place.

“If y’all would have just worn a mask then we would...” still be asked to wear mask, social distance and limit large gatherings. Same as it ever was

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If the virus were under control, things would be better for football in the fall. It’s not under control, and now the season is at risk. All y’all had to do was

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wear mask, social distance and limit large gatherings.

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But y’all couldn’t do it.

If you wear a mask and socially distance, you are doing your part. Most aren’t doing that. Are you?

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That’s still the goal. Trends are very bad for this, and all because of people like you.

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I've infected exactly 0 people since the shutdown.

These trends aren't very bad because it's not the same demographics or conditions of those being tested before. They are catching way more cases now than they did months ago.

If the testing had been consistent the entire time, the case curve would look extremely different.

Which is why the deaths haven't followed the case curve, and why this isn't as bad as you and others make it out to be.

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I'm not saying prevent every death. I'm saying minimize the impact. We were doing that, but instead of being careful we get Florida setting the single day record for infections.

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Except it's not the single day record for infections. It's the single day record for infections found. You're using bare stats without context. It's bad enough when people do it sports, it's even worse when it's done in real life.

There is a reason why the deaths aren't increasing with the case curve. When they found 30k cases previously, they were doing it on testing of about 180k a day. Now they test 650k a day, and that testing amount increases every day.

Previously they only tested those with symptoms. Now they test basically anyone and everyone who will submit to it.

If they had been testing the same way back then, they would have found way more cases than we have currently.

So it's just bunk to claim it's the record amount of cases.

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Ah, such a wonderfully Christian attitude. "Screw everyone who dies, I want to go out to eat."

If everyone gets it, that "only" 0.25% mortality rate is about 1 million Americans.

The same people who thought the Patriot Act was a necessity after the deaths of a couple of thousand seem to think wearing a mask and not humping the stranger in line in front of you is too much to help prevent the death of a million.

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I'm not a Christian, nor is that my attitude. And everyone is not going to catch it, you reach herd immunity long before then. You can also minimize the risk by having high risk people take extra precautions..like they do with everything else.

Plus the real rate is well below 0.25%, just being conservative. I think I've read it's under 0.1%, but it's hard to gauge to such accuracy right now.

And then you just go even further with your strawman fallacies. I was against the Iraq war, never agreed with the Patriot Act. Hated Bush, like Obama way more than McCain, and don't even like Trump.

All you've done is reveal that you are politically motivated on the topic. Anyone who supports Trump or Biden is part of the problem. And the way you put politics into the topic highlights a good bit of why.

Team sport politics is for idiots. Go get your fricking jacket.

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It’s not that the virus is here that is the problem. It’s how prevalent is it

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Since this is a board where we mainly talk about sports:



1. Germany and even Italy are 1-2 months into playing professional sports

2. On the other hand, we are talking about postponing and cancelling major sports while still arguing about something as basic as wearing masks and only now having 1/2 the politicians in the country somewhat encouraging it.


It's a salient sports related example of the different approaches and different results.




And, yes, no one anywhere said/says that masks (or anything) were going to prevent all new infections.

And, no one anywhere said/says than the government asking people to wear masks will do that much if people do not take responsibility to actually do it.

To that end though, not having politicians making it seem like not wearing them is some gesture that supports their "team" would have helped immensely.

Some leaders got down to business making tough and often unpopular decisions while other leaders just tried to score a political point with their base at every available juncture regardless of the impact to health and ultimately, yes, the economy like the multi billion dollar sports industry still on standby.

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infected exactly 0 people since the shutdown.

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People like you infected plenty, and then they infected plenty.

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These trends aren't very bad because it's not the same demographics or conditions of those being tested before. They are catching way more cases now than they did months ago.

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Hospital admissions tell a different story.

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Which is why the deaths haven't followed the case curv

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Someone posted the curves a few hours ago. You are wrong about this.

I mean, you’re just wrong. I don’t know how else to put it.

Until a vaccine comes there isn’t any level of mitigation that would allow a return to normal life. It’s become political.

Whether we were at 50k cases per day or 5k cases per day at this point isn’t relevant

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Yeah, I'm sure millions of protesters,

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I doubt it was close to millions, and most wore masks. Either way, it was a far less a number than the normal MAGA’s. Focus on the majority, not the minority.

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don’t believe you

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There wouldn’t be issues with football and school in the fall if the numbers were far less.