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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:21 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:21 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
Well, just the nature of the beast. Trump nor any other politician can control microscopic entities.
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Henry Jones Jr
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Herd immunity doesn't happen in just a few months.
You’re a professor and explorer. You’re not a doctor, Indy!
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:31 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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The problem with that is that there is a definitive correlation between new cases and future hospitalizations and deaths.
There was in April but it's not close to being the case now. We have far mores cases today and far fewer daily deaths than we had in the April peaks.
And the average age of a new case (positive test) is about 20+ years younger than it was back in April.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:34 pm to RD Dawg
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There was in April but it's not close to being the case now
Completely false.
It’s not the same ratio, but there is still a correlation.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:43 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Why does everything have to be at one extreme or the other with you guys?
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PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:44 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Completely false.
Completey true.
Look at the daily deaths in April and now and look at the number of cases.Look at the damn numbers yourself.
The average age for someone testing positive is 35 in Florida...down from 65 in March
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In Florida, which breaks records for new cases nearly every day, the median age of residents testing positive for the virus has dropped to 35, down from 65 in March.
Are you actually trying to tell me they're dying at the same rate? Complete horseshite and you know it.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:44 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Lol a news article is science to you. Actual scientists understand what skepticism is and how you apply it. Many epidemiologists feel that the lockdowns caused several other severe health effects like: drugs overdoses have gone up 200% pretty much every month since March; suicides are up, domestic and child abuse; "electjve surgeries often include cancer diagnoses, heart problems, and kidney related disorders. There are millions of health problems, but because this is novel and scary we have to hide from this one.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:46 pm to 3down10
If we can't even admit that other countries have handled this much better then we're never gonna get this thing turned around
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:50 pm to LMfan
Houston Medical Center ICU Capacity is now at 105 % and climbing.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:02 pm to RD Dawg
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Are you actually trying to tell me they're dying at the same rate
Not at all. You’re just dumb and can’t read or even think for yourself.
STODB
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:03 pm to Capstone2017
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Lol a news article is science to you
Some articles are about studies by actual scientists.
But I get get what you’re saying and you’re right.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:22 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Other Countries with more intelligent LEADERSHIP have managed this thing better than the US has
This is laughable
So we should slow testing...US has performed more than double the test than the next closest country.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:25 pm to Tidemeister
I love the optimism, but what about the hospitals? That’s really the whole point of the quarantine. They just can’t handle a mass amount of cases at once. Other than that, herd immunity makes sense.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:26 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Completely false. It’s not the same ratio, but there is still a correlation.
I mean, no one’s arguing that you can have a death without a confirmed case to go with it.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:37 pm to LMfan
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If we can't even admit that other countries have handled this much better then we're never gonna get this thing turned around
Name the countries. Why is it always a general remark rather than any specific country? Is it because if you took the country you'll likely find other factors were likely bigger contributors?
If you can't understand the differences between the situations, countries and that they are most likely just at best delaying the inevitable, then what does it matter?
Even worse, people such as yourself always treat the situation as if it's in a vacuum and as if there are no consequences or other factors involved.
And you base it all on a virus that has a fatality rate under 0.25%. If it killed everyone it's projected to kill, it would make up a total of 6% of all deaths - not population, just deaths for the year.
Furthermore, there is nothing to turn around. Nature will take it's course. All that can be done with a virus that is this contagious is wait it out.
I know it may be hard to believe, but our bodies are actually prepared to handle these things for the most part. And as for the rest, it's just a hard reality that life is that way. It's not realistic to put the entire worlds population in lockdown for an airborne contagious virus.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:05 pm to RD Dawg
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We have far mores cases today and far fewer daily deaths than we had in the April peaks.
We have record hospitalization in areas that have record cases. Nothing has changed except the locations of the hot spots.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:06 pm to bayou85
Yeah I know but they often don't understand the paper or that one paper doesn't make it a fact. I have read several papers on this on pubmed and Jama and NEJM. It is dangerous to certain groups but I still believe the lockdown was uneeded. Sweden has barely been affected by covid.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:24 pm to Tidemeister
The herd immunity narrative is the product of wishful thinking and ignorance, and it's annoying. Here's why.
In rare cases the floor for herd immunity is about 40% of a population, but in the vast majority of cases ( especially cases with highly transmittable airborne pathogens) it's around 80-95%.
Considering all of the information collected in the past 6 months the death rate is supposed to land between 0.5-1%.
That gives the US between 650k and 1.3 million dead as a very unlikely, wishful-thinking, best-case scenario of 40%. A more realistic expectation is 1.3-3.1 million dead. For perspective that's more than the total war dead in all of US history.
Consider the fact that plenty of countries are managing this well and providing a blueprint that we are simply refusing to follow. If we have to rely on herd immunity because of how woefully mismanaged this entire debacle has been, it makes this administration one of the 2-3 worst in the history of this country.
Note: A vaccine gets us to herd immunity without the millions of dead. If our strategy is do nothing and eventually it'll work out, let's go ahead pray for that..
In rare cases the floor for herd immunity is about 40% of a population, but in the vast majority of cases ( especially cases with highly transmittable airborne pathogens) it's around 80-95%.
Considering all of the information collected in the past 6 months the death rate is supposed to land between 0.5-1%.
That gives the US between 650k and 1.3 million dead as a very unlikely, wishful-thinking, best-case scenario of 40%. A more realistic expectation is 1.3-3.1 million dead. For perspective that's more than the total war dead in all of US history.
Consider the fact that plenty of countries are managing this well and providing a blueprint that we are simply refusing to follow. If we have to rely on herd immunity because of how woefully mismanaged this entire debacle has been, it makes this administration one of the 2-3 worst in the history of this country.
Note: A vaccine gets us to herd immunity without the millions of dead. If our strategy is do nothing and eventually it'll work out, let's go ahead pray for that..
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:26 pm to Capstone2017
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Lol a news article is science to you.
Did I say that the article was science?
I posted an article about a guy that took things lightly and thought it was cute to go to a CV19 Party and ended up dead at age 30
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:40 pm to oligarchgator
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Me and my friends will be ok but I don't know about the rest of you especially when we force Orange man out of office. Tough psychological blow for those of you who put your eggs in that basket.
You and your friends couldn’t force open a zip lock bag.
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