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re: Can anyone enlighten me about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)
Posted on 5/28/14 at 6:57 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 5/28/14 at 6:57 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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GMOs destroy dna, cause disease, and are just bad, mmkay.
They also line the pockets of big industry while destroying the little guy.
They contaminate existing seeds, this contamination can never be reversed.
They require more pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides.
The same people that said Agent Orange, DDT, and PCBs are safe are now telling us GMOs are safe.
Despite perceptions, GMOs do not increase crop yield.
They have less nutrients.
And about 107 other things that are bad about them.
Most of this is speculative or has been proven to be inaccurate.
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:01 pm to Evolved Simian
Exactly. But it sounds bad. So let's go protest!!!!
Not saying some of it isn't bad. But people always gotta pick a side. It's hardly ever that simple.
Not saying some of it isn't bad. But people always gotta pick a side. It's hardly ever that simple.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:01 pm to Evolved Simian
Most?
2 through 6 aren't debatable.
First line isn't really either, but there are still a lot of unknowns and not many thorough tests so it's hard to say for certain.
2 through 6 aren't debatable.
First line isn't really either, but there are still a lot of unknowns and not many thorough tests so it's hard to say for certain.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:02 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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2 through 6 aren't debatable.
except they are debatable.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:09 pm to Tds & Beer
What's debatable about them?
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:24 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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They require more pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides.
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Actually that is not the always the case, one of the results of GMO for corn and beans is the plant itself produces chemicals that help to repel pest thus lowering the need for pesticides. Not sure how much of this has been approved for commercial farming but I know scientists have planted these GMO's and they work, could be planted all through the country don't know! I know they're messing with nature, at some point the pests will adapt to deal with the GMO corn and beans just like bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:31 pm to JoeMoTiger
Yeah, I know, built in pesticides, which we get to eat, yum.
Whether or not they are applied or built into the genes it's still pesticide, GMOs require more disease prevention than natural crops.
And yes, we've seen that pests are adapting to the chemical defenses, just as antibiotics have triggered evolution of bacteria.
Whether or not they are applied or built into the genes it's still pesticide, GMOs require more disease prevention than natural crops.
And yes, we've seen that pests are adapting to the chemical defenses, just as antibiotics have triggered evolution of bacteria.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:34 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
They produce there own pesticides. What could possibly go wrong? And the lobbies have defeated every measure to even label foods that contain them in the small print. Capitalism at it's finest. All the corporate dick suckers on this board should be in heaven
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:06 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
They are simply plants injected or crossed with specific genes of other plants in order to make them more resistant to disease or pests. Sometimes they are used to make plants grow faster or yield higher.
They aren't harmful or unhealthy. Many people confuse GMO's with processed foods full of artificial additives and preservatives.
On our catfish farm we cross channel catfish with blue catfish because they grow faster, eat more aggressively, and handle heavier stocking rates better. They are no different tasting or any different health wise when it comes to consumption.
Without GMO's, you'd greatly reduce the capacity to feed a growing population. Your choices are 1. More starving people or 2. People who are fed but MIGHT (and that's a big might) be eating something that could have a negative effect, but is likely perfectly fine to eat.
They aren't harmful or unhealthy. Many people confuse GMO's with processed foods full of artificial additives and preservatives.
On our catfish farm we cross channel catfish with blue catfish because they grow faster, eat more aggressively, and handle heavier stocking rates better. They are no different tasting or any different health wise when it comes to consumption.
Without GMO's, you'd greatly reduce the capacity to feed a growing population. Your choices are 1. More starving people or 2. People who are fed but MIGHT (and that's a big might) be eating something that could have a negative effect, but is likely perfectly fine to eat.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:10 pm to deltaland
quote:Thanks man
deltaland
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:12 pm to deltaland
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They are simply plants injected or crossed with specific genes of other plants in order to make them more resistant to disease or pests. Sometimes they are used to make plants grow faster or yield higher.
They aren't harmful or unhealthy. Many people confuse GMO's with processed foods full of artificial additives and preservatives.
On our catfish farm we cross channel catfish with blue catfish because they grow faster, eat more aggressively, and handle heavier stocking rates better. They are no different tasting or any different health wise when it comes to consumption.
Without GMO's, you'd greatly reduce the capacity to feed a growing population. Your choices are 1. More starving people or 2. People who are fed but MIGHT (and that's a big might) be eating something that could have a negative effect, but is likely perfectly fine to eat.
And boom goes the dynamite. It's like people who say corn syrup is evil and shouldn't be allowed as an ingredient or think that preservatives are a bad thing.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:13 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Yeah, I know, built in pesticides, which we get to eat, yum.
Because it's decreasing your life expectancy, right?
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:15 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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GMOs destroy dna, cause disease, and are just bad, mmkay.
They also line the pockets of big industry while destroying the little guy.
They were also behind 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:19 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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How the hell are these huge companies making money with a product that cost them a shite load more to produce according to your post?
Company. Singular.
Monsanto. And they make their money by patenting their seeds. When nearby farms with non-GMO seeds are cross-pollenated, which inevitably happens, Monsanto moves in with a lawsuit, or the threat of one. This isn't conjecture. They have done this on more than one occasion.
The protest about GMOs is mostly about the lack of things: labeling, research, regulation. The number of people who have swapped positions between Monsanto and the FDA (going both ways, and sometimes the same person more than once) is shady. People just want options, and the powers that be want to control agriculture and food production in a way that removes those options.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:23 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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How the hell are these huge companies making money with a product that cost them a shite load more to produce according to your post?
Upfront R&D is capped and amortized over time which means the true financial cost actually becomes smaller the longer you can produce a specific product.
If you have never farmed, try to imagine the diversity and cost reduction of local seed where a portion is held back to seed the next years crop. Now replace that with a sterile seed - can not reproduce - and create monopoly pricing power from a single seed manufactured by a single company (say Cargill or ADM) who most folks have never heard of.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:24 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
They're the new Luddites.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:35 pm to the808bass
they are there to help feed our growing population. have some big corporate companies taken advantage of that and bullied out the local farmer? yes, and that sucks, but it has happened many times before in other sectors....their environmental factors, i think, haven't been fully discovered...whoever said they required more pesticides, herbicides, etc is a dumbass.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:38 pm to deltaland
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On our catfish farm we cross channel catfish with blue catfish because they grow faster, eat more aggressively, and handle heavier stocking rates better. They are no different tasting or any different health wise when it comes to consumption.
Farmed fish, as you've described, as hardly any nutrients.
Farm salmon, for instance, is pretty much worthless.
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Without GMO's, you'd greatly reduce the capacity to feed a growing population. Your choices are 1. More starving people or
This (and everything in your post) isn't true at all, but I'm sure no matter what you'll believe it.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:42 pm to K9
While people are defending GMOs, think about this (because sharing scientific studies that show it's harmful won't move your meters).
Why do you have to pay extra and go through silly hoops to grow organic, while GMO farms get free money in the form of subsidies?
And why do these big biotech companies make farmers purchase seeds every year, when crops naturally leave seeds for the next season?
Why do you have to pay extra and go through silly hoops to grow organic, while GMO farms get free money in the form of subsidies?
And why do these big biotech companies make farmers purchase seeds every year, when crops naturally leave seeds for the next season?
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 12:29 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:48 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Whether or not they are applied or built into the genes it's still pesticide, GMOs require more disease prevention than natural crops.
Are you trolling or do you just not understand genetics at all? I only quoted this statement because it illustrated the point, but everything else you've said in this thread is not only completely untrue, but quite literally fricking retarded.
Stop to think for 10 seconds... Why would anyone waste millions of dollars on research to make a plant that is inferior in every way?
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