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Recruiting and Division Placement
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:03 pm
What are everyone's thoughts on OU and TU joining the SEC? Do you think it hurts or helps MIZZOU, recruiting, etc?
In my opinion it helps MIZZOU in all ways. We should expect a significant jump in payout from the conference, especially when the new ESPN contract kicks in. The extra revenue should go a long way in continuing to upgraded our facilities. Sure we may be way behind the rest of the SEC + OU & TU in this regard, but we will have the premiere facilities in the states of Nebraska, kansas, Illinois, and Iowa within a decade , if not already.
In regard to recruiting it also helps. We will never out recruit OU and TU. They will have their pick of the top recruits, but them blowing up the Big 12 conference weakens KState, OSU, TTU, etc. on the recruiting trail. If those schools end up in a lesser conference or PAC, I envision recruits being less than thrilled to play at a level down or constently playing west coast games. This should elevate Arkansas as well if kids are trying to stay somewhat local, but our standing against the leftover Big 12 schools should elevate.
Finally, if the SEC goes to the 4 team Pod/Division, we need to fight to get in a division of OU, TU, ATM and MIZZOU. I believe ATM and TU need to resume their rivalry and we know OU and TU are wed together. Our best teams were loaded with talent from Texas, and reopening those channels, along with locking down our borders and raiding talent from the bordering states are the keys to our success.
Those are my weekend thoughts.
In my opinion it helps MIZZOU in all ways. We should expect a significant jump in payout from the conference, especially when the new ESPN contract kicks in. The extra revenue should go a long way in continuing to upgraded our facilities. Sure we may be way behind the rest of the SEC + OU & TU in this regard, but we will have the premiere facilities in the states of Nebraska, kansas, Illinois, and Iowa within a decade , if not already.
In regard to recruiting it also helps. We will never out recruit OU and TU. They will have their pick of the top recruits, but them blowing up the Big 12 conference weakens KState, OSU, TTU, etc. on the recruiting trail. If those schools end up in a lesser conference or PAC, I envision recruits being less than thrilled to play at a level down or constently playing west coast games. This should elevate Arkansas as well if kids are trying to stay somewhat local, but our standing against the leftover Big 12 schools should elevate.
Finally, if the SEC goes to the 4 team Pod/Division, we need to fight to get in a division of OU, TU, ATM and MIZZOU. I believe ATM and TU need to resume their rivalry and we know OU and TU are wed together. Our best teams were loaded with talent from Texas, and reopening those channels, along with locking down our borders and raiding talent from the bordering states are the keys to our success.
Those are my weekend thoughts.
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Posted on 7/31/21 at 6:52 am to ZOUForce
Duck a Big 12 pod. I don’t want to play those sacks of shite again.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 7:16 am to ZOUForce
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What are everyone's thoughts on OU and TU joining the SEC? Do you think it hurts or helps MIZZOU, recruiting, etc?
I'd rather they weren't joining, but now that they are I agree with your pod choice.
As regards recruiting... I've been at both ends of the pendulum since the news broke. While I agree we weren't going to consistently beat Oklahoma, I think we were gaining ground on Texas and the Orphaned 8 due to our SEC branding. That goes away with Texas coming in. Will we receive a net gain by picking up recruits who may have gone to Baylor, TCU and the like? I'm not sure.
I agree with your sentiment about the edge Missouri should have recruiting kids on our northern flank. Mark Stoops and Kentucky have been capitalizing on this for years in Ohio and I hope Drink and his staff continue making inroads in Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois and Indiana, especially regarding offensive linemen. If Mizzou is going to go toe-to-toe with the SEC powers it has to start up front.
I DO know our scheduling is about to become brutal.
Our possible schedule will look like this...
Year One - Year Two
Group 5 - Group 5
Group 5 - Group 5
Power 5 - Power 5
Texas - Texas
Oklahoma - Oklahoma
Arkansas - Arkansas
Florida - Georgia
Kentucky - South Carolina
Alabama - Auburn
Vandy - Tennessee
Texas A&M - LSU
Ole Miss - Mississippi St.
So unless Drink can capture lightning in a bottle and become a generational program changer, I realistically see 3-4 conference losses most seasons as a best case scenario. Even getting bowl eligible is going to be a challenge, so any suggestions of a 10-game SEC schedule needs to be vehemently opposed.
In summation... If Gary Pinkel said Mizzou joining the SEC was going to require an all-out commitment from all parties associated with the university ten years ago - the price of poker just went up dramatically.
Factor in NIL and the bonanza this is going to provide for the blueblood football factories, and Mizzou's margin for error beyond razor thin. I hope I'm wrong but I could easily see a permanently stunted underclass of Power 5 schools who simply don't have the donor base of sugar daddies willing to finance it all, especially if 6-6 is the payoff.
The longer their inclusion into the league the better. Does anyone want to talk me off the ledge?
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:19 am to Mizz-SEC
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So unless Drink can capture lightning in a bottle and become a generational program changer, I realistically see 3-4 conference losses most seasons as a best case scenario. Even getting bowl eligible is going to be a challenge, so any suggestions of a 10-game SEC schedule needs to be vehemently opposed.
In summation... If Gary Pinkel said Mizzou joining the SEC was going to require an all-out commitment from all parties associated with the university ten years ago - the price of poker just went up dramatically.
Factor in NIL and the bonanza this is going to provide for the blueblood football factories, and Mizzou's margin for error beyond razor thin. I hope I'm wrong but I could easily see a permanently stunted underclass of Power 5 schools who simply don't have the donor base of sugar daddies willing to finance it all, especially if 6-6 is the payoff.
I think this is spot on. I like Drink but you guys know what we are up against. People on the forums hate on the Big Ten but if we were in it, we'd have a solid chance to be in the Big 10 championship game each year. The Big 10 is not a bad conference.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:44 am to blueprint_one
But how bad will a move to the B1G hurt our recruiting?
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:41 am to ZOUForce
I want to beat down OU and Texas every year. No more trying to ease through. We need to believe we can beat anyone.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 2:11 pm to ZOUForce
NIL is going to hurt worse. Mizzou doesn't have enough deep pockets to match the payout elite kids will be offered elsewhere.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 7/31/21 at 2:59 pm to Ridgewalker
Maybe Stank Keonke should make for the Rams by funding Mizzou.
Too soon?
Too soon?
Posted on 7/31/21 at 3:21 pm to Ridgewalker
I agree the NIL is probably our biggest obstacle in the years ahead. The orphaned 8 being relegated to a lower tier conference could provide some offset. Plus, we have been getting some major donations lately, so maybe we have some boosters who are ready to shell out some cash to get top talent in.
On another subject, are there any renderings of the new indoor practice facility? Want to see how it sits in relation to the stadium, the bridge to the stadium, and overall design.
On another subject, are there any renderings of the new indoor practice facility? Want to see how it sits in relation to the stadium, the bridge to the stadium, and overall design.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 3:48 pm to Athos
I’d rather go winless for the next 20 years than ever accept his $.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 7/31/21 at 6:11 pm to Ridgewalker
Missouri has decent corporate presence, if they can be brought in on NIL funding.
But Missouri lacks the widespread Mizzou support that is prevalent in states like Alabama, Arkansas, etc., where many small companies will use the school logos and imagery and be called things like Tide Plumbing and Razorback Landscaping, etc.
I've given up trying to predict how this will play out for the good guys. But we definitely made one of the all-time great moves joining when we did.
But Missouri lacks the widespread Mizzou support that is prevalent in states like Alabama, Arkansas, etc., where many small companies will use the school logos and imagery and be called things like Tide Plumbing and Razorback Landscaping, etc.
I've given up trying to predict how this will play out for the good guys. But we definitely made one of the all-time great moves joining when we did.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:37 am to Mizz-SEC
I mean, you described how it’s always been really. This doesn’t change much if anything. CFB was always haves and have nots
We’ll likely always have a program who is only going to ascend near the top group every once in awhile. The hope is that Drink makes that more frequent and keeps the floor at a respectable level.
We’ll likely always have a program who is only going to ascend near the top group every once in awhile. The hope is that Drink makes that more frequent and keeps the floor at a respectable level.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:09 am to blueprint_one
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People on the forums hate on the Big Ten but if we were in it, we'd have a solid chance to be in the Big 10 championship game each year. The Big 10 is not a bad conference.
Just enough wish we were in the Big10 shite, makes us like like a bunch of punk arse bitches afraid to be with the big boys. We are light years ahead of the Nubs ask them how the Big 10 has went.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 8:32 am to Tackle74
Oh, c'mon, Tackle74. Don't be so harsh on those who have a different opinion.
Speaking only for myself, I'd enjoy a season in which we faced Iowa, Minn., Wisky...and nut-kicked Illinois after we beat the dog shite out of nebraska.
And going to the B1G isn't what's killing Nebraska. Their reign is history, never to come back. My heart pumps piss water for them.
Plus, selfishly, I'm a wresting fan and joining the B1G would make for a really fun season.
If that makes me a "punk arse bitch", well, OK.
Speaking only for myself, I'd enjoy a season in which we faced Iowa, Minn., Wisky...and nut-kicked Illinois after we beat the dog shite out of nebraska.
And going to the B1G isn't what's killing Nebraska. Their reign is history, never to come back. My heart pumps piss water for them.
Plus, selfishly, I'm a wresting fan and joining the B1G would make for a really fun season.
If that makes me a "punk arse bitch", well, OK.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:04 am to Literalist
At this point, moving to the Big 10 would really hurt our recruiting. The Midwest doesn't have near the amount of talent as the south. The lionshare of that talent goes to ND, OSU and UM. We can't finally get a good recruiter and then give him a smaller pool to recruit from.
Bottom line is if Iowa State can build a top 10 program, so can we.
Bottom line is if Iowa State can build a top 10 program, so can we.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:31 am to surgicalvenom
As much as I can't stand tu, I've warmed up to it. The that separates us from the nearby B1G schools is that Mizzou's games will be watched by a larger stage and I believe that recruits value that. And that's a ridiculous amount of $ that can be used to further separate by building facilities. Or funneling through NIL.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:55 am to surgicalvenom
The point is, this is just for-fun musing on my part. I can't fathom that Mizzou would ever go to the B1G.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:50 pm to surgicalvenom
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Bottom line is if Iowa State can build a top 10 program, so can we.
Iowa? Not in the B1G? But ISU is in the Big 12! Not the same thing.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:01 pm to surgicalvenom
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Bottom line is if Iowa State can build a top 10 program, so can we.
Every program can get hot for a couple years. MIZZOU and kU were ranked #1 and #2, respectively, in '07. MIZZOU won back to back East titles in '13 and '14. The challenge is sustaining it for a decade. We can do it. Recruiting and player development are the two keys to college football. Other sub-factors make both of those objectives easier (facilities, exposure, coaching, etc.) Larger payouts from the league and getting back into Texas should help a lot.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:23 pm to Literalist
I am a season ticket holder for wrestling but football is king and the SEC is by fa4 the b3st conference. Nebraska can frick off hate those bitches even more then kU. Nebraska though was gutted by losing the Texas recruiting and by pure karma.
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