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re: Looking at this schedule before the season
Posted on 10/27/19 at 4:46 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Posted on 10/27/19 at 4:46 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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Funny how you keep propping up Odom after 3.5 years when it’s clear to everyone but you he’s nothing but an average coach. Yet you’re willing to write off Morris and Campbell with considerably less time at their schools at the drop of a hat.
LOL, propping him up? WTF are talking about? I just made a thread saying that last night essentially got him fired.
You’re right though. I don’t get the strange satisfaction that most of you get out of consistently shitting on our coach, and weirder still I’m one of the only ones that can actually grasp how counterproductive it is.
Morris? He’s trash
Campbell? Didn’t even mention his name.
I honestly have no idea where you come up with 90% of the shite you post. Can you not read? What is it?
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 4:54 pm to JesusQuintana
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Fire him we are looking at a lengthy rebuild,
It's not going to take a lengthy rebuild to put a team on the field that can beat Wyoming, Vandy, and Kentucky. Competing for a trip to Atlanta? Possibly but we have witnessed the difference a year make.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 4:56 pm to navynuke
Well, of course not considering we already have a team that can beat those teams. We just didn’t. I’m assuming that’s not the goal though.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:31 pm to JesusQuintana
You keep defending him making up jibberish like “we still don’t know what he can or can’t do” despite inexcusable losses his 4th year on the job. Yet, you are so quick to write off other coaches who have had even less time at their current schools to prove themselves. Your standards appear to aimlessly move all over the place.
I can read just fine. I know what I’m watching. And it’s not competent coaching.
I can read just fine. I know what I’m watching. And it’s not competent coaching.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:49 pm to JesusQuintana
The internet isn’t hard. Google will do it for you.
And I’m not sure what’s sadder. Me googling your old posts or you pretending you never made them.
And I’m not sure what’s sadder. Me googling your old posts or you pretending you never made them.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:50 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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Your standards appear to aimlessly move all over the place.
He doesn’t have any standard other than shitting on the board.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:00 pm to the808bass
The problem I've always had is this: I knew from day one what we had in BO, as did many here. He was the last rotten fruit off of the Gary Pinkle coaching tree. Perhaps a distant branch, but linked nonetheless.
Whatever GP may have achieved, developing successful coachs was never featured. They fail everywhere they go. They are rigid, dogmatic, and afflicted with a curious streak of football Calvinisem. They allow themselves to drift on a river of gridiron fate, no adjustments needed.
I'd like a coach with an unknown future for a change. BO will end his days as a mid level DC, nevermore.
Whatever GP may have achieved, developing successful coachs was never featured. They fail everywhere they go. They are rigid, dogmatic, and afflicted with a curious streak of football Calvinisem. They allow themselves to drift on a river of gridiron fate, no adjustments needed.
I'd like a coach with an unknown future for a change. BO will end his days as a mid level DC, nevermore.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:07 pm to the808bass
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The internet isn’t hard. Google will do it for you.
And I’m not sure what’s sadder. Me googling your old posts or you pretending you never made them.
LOL...what? When did I pretend that? Another poster afflicted with making shite up constantly.
I’m not even sure what gotcha moment you believe you’ve uncovered here? A fan upset after his team is embarrassed???? My god! Alert the media! This is earth shattering! I believe you’re talents are being wasted being a smarmy a-hole on the internet. Surely with this incredible deductive skills there is something highly important to mankind you can be working on.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:10 pm to JesusQuintana
There’s no gotcha in the post. It’s just hilarious that you realized in 2017 he sucked and then talked yourself in and out of that opinion for two more years.
The gotcha is in the posts when he was hired when you were certain that he would be great. But we can’t know. Can we?
The gotcha is in the posts when he was hired when you were certain that he would be great. But we can’t know. Can we?
Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:53 pm to MIZ_COU
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But nobody's talking about why. What happened in 1 week to make them go from first to worst?
Nothing. The warts the schedule hid are being exposed. This is exactly what this team has been all year. Without the defensive touchdowns people would have been more likely to notice.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 7:05 pm to the808bass
You’re not as dumb as a lot of the posters here. We both know this. We both also know that there is great difference between what is said in the heat of the moment and what is said normally.
I know it’s rare for people to come across someone who actually lets new data effect his opinion, but it is possible to let new information shape your thought on a matter. It’s almost as if that’s actually the correct way to approach things.
And no, we can’t know. Another thing you are plenty smart enough to realize but for some reason playing gotcha on a message board is more important to you than being true.
My opinion hasn’t changed much. I still don’t think Odom is the shite, god awful coach many here and within this fanbase do...BUT AS IVE ALREADY STATED...In my opinion he did get himself fired last night.now it’s just a matter of time. I still think he has several good qualities as a coach, and most importantly they are qualities a program like ours needs, but I don’t believe his good enough to dig himself out of a hole of this size. Most of that is self created, but of course nothing like this is ever so black and white. Once a coach legitimately loses the majority of the fanbase it’s all but over. Our program has very little margin for error even in good times, but at this point it’s virtually nil.
So when the next guy gets here, and you guys start shitting all over him constantly, maybe I’ll start pulling up posts from years ago. I won’t of course, but we all know I’m right. It’s the same reason this board dies when we win, and explodes when we lose. The easy way out. Low effort analysis. Win=little to no credit. Loss=entirety of the blame. I’m not even blaming anybody for this, it’s very common, but when people who very clearly are not act like they are above this type of simpleton analysis it’s just laughable. That’s all.
I know it’s rare for people to come across someone who actually lets new data effect his opinion, but it is possible to let new information shape your thought on a matter. It’s almost as if that’s actually the correct way to approach things.
And no, we can’t know. Another thing you are plenty smart enough to realize but for some reason playing gotcha on a message board is more important to you than being true.
My opinion hasn’t changed much. I still don’t think Odom is the shite, god awful coach many here and within this fanbase do...BUT AS IVE ALREADY STATED...In my opinion he did get himself fired last night.now it’s just a matter of time. I still think he has several good qualities as a coach, and most importantly they are qualities a program like ours needs, but I don’t believe his good enough to dig himself out of a hole of this size. Most of that is self created, but of course nothing like this is ever so black and white. Once a coach legitimately loses the majority of the fanbase it’s all but over. Our program has very little margin for error even in good times, but at this point it’s virtually nil.
So when the next guy gets here, and you guys start shitting all over him constantly, maybe I’ll start pulling up posts from years ago. I won’t of course, but we all know I’m right. It’s the same reason this board dies when we win, and explodes when we lose. The easy way out. Low effort analysis. Win=little to no credit. Loss=entirety of the blame. I’m not even blaming anybody for this, it’s very common, but when people who very clearly are not act like they are above this type of simpleton analysis it’s just laughable. That’s all.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:29 pm to Drydock
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The problem I've always had is this: I knew from day one what we had in BO, as did many here. He was the last rotten fruit off of the Gary Pinkle coaching tree. Perhaps a distant branch, but linked nonetheless.
Whatever GP may have achieved, developing successful coachs was never featured. They fail everywhere they go. They are rigid, dogmatic, and afflicted with a curious streak of football Calvinisem. They allow themselves to drift on a river of gridiron fate, no adjustments needed.
I'd like a coach with an unknown future for a change. BO will end his days as a mid level DC, nevermore.
The truth is Pinkel was always as successful as his QB.
Brad Smith
Chase Daniel
Blaine Gabbert
Franklin
Mauk
Lock
He always had someone ready to go.
Odom doesn't have shite, he had to fish Bryant out of the ocean and is trying it with Robinson as well.
The facts are Odom has recruited like pure shite and with Pinkel's players slowly filtering out of the system, we're starting to see the results, especially on the DLine. My god if Elliot didn't transfer here they would be complete garbage.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:38 pm to JesusQuintana
I was about on board with you until the last paragraph. I see the same posters, including myself, posting after wins or losses. I see plenty of posts giving credit when it is deserved. I think as much as anything, the quantity of posts have more to do with the opponent and the result of that game. Play SEMO and win...not gonna create much buzz. Play SEMO and lose and you'll understandably have a ton of posts. Play UGA and win = Ton of posts. Play UGA and lose and probably not a ton of posts because it's not shocking.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 10:22 pm to JesusQuintana
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So when the next guy gets here, and you guys start shitting all over him constantly
I think you’re kind of right and kind of wrong.
There is a tendency of fans today to be negative no matter what. I think our fan base is pretty rational overall. We’re not Nebraska or Tennessee fans. We would be ecstatic to contend for the division every third year, whether we were up front about that or not.
But, yes. The twitterverse jumps straight to fire everyone at the drop of the hat.
ETA: I still am not calling for Odom to be fired. I don’t see how it doesn’t happen, but he could still pull out of it.
This post was edited on 10/27/19 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:20 am to the808bass
There is no way to justify putting the offense on the shoulders of Bryant the last two games. You can't make me believe that he showed Dooley enough during the week to justify the number of passes and route combos. He can't make the throws to keep the offense on schedule. They played right into Mason and Stoops defensive plan.
Its akin to letting Gabbert get smacked around for a month after his high ankle sprain in 2009.
Its akin to letting Gabbert get smacked around for a month after his high ankle sprain in 2009.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 9:22 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:05 am to the808bass
quote:He could, but I hope not. I"m tired of sloppy play, poor game plans, and shitting the bed. I'm tired of leading the SEC in penalties. If we have to lose out to make some progress, so be it.
I still am not calling for Odom to be fired. I don’t see how it doesn’t happen, but he could still pull out of it.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:00 am to MIZ_COU
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He could, but I hope not. I"m tired of sloppy play, poor game plans, and shitting the bed. I'm tired of leading the SEC in penalties. If we have to lose out to make some progress, so be it.
This is what sucks the most. Nobody wants to see Mizzou lose. But what do you do when your coach isn't good enough? Do you hope he keeps winning enough that results in him keeping a job that holds the team back or do you sorta hope he gets just enough losses to end it all ASAP because you know that is what is best long term?
Really crappy situation for fans all the way around.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 1:05 pm to TigerCruise
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The truth is Pinkel was always as successful as his QB.
Brad Smith
Chase Daniel
Blaine Gabbert
Franklin
Mauk
Lock
He always had someone ready to go.
Yep. Quarterbacks and players who could get after the quarterback.
Both can mask a world of shortcomings and Odom's cultivated neither.
And I still think Pinkel's series a half for the heir apparent QB was a genius master stroke.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 5:45 pm to notsince98
This is where the problem comes in. We are actually to the point where fans are hoping the team loses so that they can fire the coach. No coming back from that in my opinion.
Changing coaches is not a good thing. There is a small chance that you could get somebody that’s going to be significantly better, but also a chance he’s worse but the highest probability is that he’ll be relatively the same because college football is WAY more about the program then the coach. None of these guys that get to this level are dumb. They’ve been coaching football for many, many years and know the game obviously.
The best case scenario is that Odom miraculously pulls this thing out and can somehow regain the minimal amount of support Mizzou fans are willing to give. Worst case we get worse. Most likely though, of course, we stay about the same and by making a change have only kicked the can down the road. There is always a transition period with a new coach.
Changing coaches is not a good thing. There is a small chance that you could get somebody that’s going to be significantly better, but also a chance he’s worse but the highest probability is that he’ll be relatively the same because college football is WAY more about the program then the coach. None of these guys that get to this level are dumb. They’ve been coaching football for many, many years and know the game obviously.
The best case scenario is that Odom miraculously pulls this thing out and can somehow regain the minimal amount of support Mizzou fans are willing to give. Worst case we get worse. Most likely though, of course, we stay about the same and by making a change have only kicked the can down the road. There is always a transition period with a new coach.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 6:48 pm to JesusQuintana
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This is where the problem comes in. We are actually to the point where fans are hoping the team loses so that they can fire the coach. No coming back from that in my opinion. Changing coaches is not a good thing. There is a small chance that you could get somebody that’s going to be significantly better, but also a chance he’s worse but the highest probability is that he’ll be relatively the same because college football is WAY more about the program then the coach. None of these guys that get to this level are dumb. They’ve been coaching football for many, many years and know the game obviously. The best case scenario is that Odom miraculously pulls this thing out and can somehow regain the minimal amount of support Mizzou fans are willing to give. Worst case we get worse. Most likely though, of course, we stay about the same and by making a change have only kicked the can down the road. There is always a transition period with a new coach.
I said earlier this year if Barry Odom does not get his team to show improvement over last year and if it is worst than last year and it is not the bad calls or the key injuries that cost some wins should be fired. This is going backwards. I am seeing 3 games were poorly played and all were against weaker teams. That is not acceptable.
Look at Tennessee! The AD looks like made the right hired. Getting better every week. Look at Missouri! Getting worst and all lost were away games and against worst teams so far. It is not a good overall for Barry Odom. He just not a good head coach. I say get a current head coach from another conference or an assistant from the current powerhouse team that is doing very well. OSU, Alabama, LSU, Florida, and few others. Even Kansas is playing better! Barry Odom never seems to qualify for the job since he did not come from a powerhouse team where learning from the best and get idea how they run the program.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 6:51 pm
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