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re: Looking at this schedule before the season
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:28 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:28 pm to JesusQuintana
Fans that root for losses to replace a coach aren't fans. Fans that want better are fans even if that ultimately means changing coaches.
You're right. The best thing that could happen is that BO turn this around, win a bowl game (assuming we play in one) and win the damn east in the near future. Personally, I just don't think the likelihood of that is very good.
You're right. The best thing that could happen is that BO turn this around, win a bowl game (assuming we play in one) and win the damn east in the near future. Personally, I just don't think the likelihood of that is very good.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:41 pm to reedus23
Well the most Mizzou thing ever would be for the appeal to last pst this season (which would have been beneficial had we not shite the bed) only to have them uphold the ban and we can’t play in a bowl game next year.
Prepare thyselves
Prepare thyselves
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:48 pm to JesusQuintana
If you don't have an answer by the Arky game, I'd just drop the appeal and take your lumps. This can't linger into next season.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:52 pm to reedus23
If Bryant's leg isn't healed after the bye to a point where he can get his weight off his back foot, the bowl thing is going to take care of itself.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:56 pm to navynuke
Might surprise JQ to hear me say this, but like it or not, the Odom hire was not a bad hire.
That's my opinion at least. And notice, I didn't say there weren't better options.
Odom had a successful career going for himself and was developing a name.
Odom was a Mizzou guy and wouldn't jump at the first offer had things gone well.
Odom was relatively cheap, so you didn't lose much besides time and arguably some attendance.
He obviously lacked head coaching experience but I still don't think the hire was a horrible hire. Maybe just not the right hire.
Having said that, sports like many things is a results oriented business. At this point, it's not just the losses but it's who they are to and how the team played in them. While I would have loved (and would still love) for it to pan out for Odom, I just don't see it happening. If that change doesn't happen very very soon, while it might not have been a horrible hire, it will be a horrible retention of a coach.
That's my opinion at least. And notice, I didn't say there weren't better options.
Odom had a successful career going for himself and was developing a name.
Odom was a Mizzou guy and wouldn't jump at the first offer had things gone well.
Odom was relatively cheap, so you didn't lose much besides time and arguably some attendance.
He obviously lacked head coaching experience but I still don't think the hire was a horrible hire. Maybe just not the right hire.
Having said that, sports like many things is a results oriented business. At this point, it's not just the losses but it's who they are to and how the team played in them. While I would have loved (and would still love) for it to pan out for Odom, I just don't see it happening. If that change doesn't happen very very soon, while it might not have been a horrible hire, it will be a horrible retention of a coach.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:06 pm to reedus23
I can’t prove it, but something happened after the Ole Miss game. The team the last 2 weeks looks nothing like the team from the first 6 games.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:21 pm to wubilli
If something from 2015 rears its head, it won’t be good.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:22 pm to wubilli
They have completely fell off the map, but everyone swears that they don’t have an answer on the appeal yet.
It would make a lot of sense if they did, but they say they don’t. I don’t know what else would make a team that was looking legitimately good turn into complete dogshit so quickly.
SOMETHING has to be going on in that locker room.
It would make a lot of sense if they did, but they say they don’t. I don’t know what else would make a team that was looking legitimately good turn into complete dogshit so quickly.
SOMETHING has to be going on in that locker room.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:36 pm to the808bass
nothing from 2015 is rearing its head.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:45 am to reedus23
If he would have been hired from outside the program in 2015 there may have been a bit of different light on the first couple of seasons. A significant portion of the fanbase wanted the entire staff gone after the boycott and readily said "frick the entire roster".
Since he was attached to Pinkel and the hiring of Cross was a complete debacle, it added fuel to a fire that already had plenty of wood on it. The failure of Cross was huge. The defense he was supposed to bring works and would have been perfect for the overall direction the conference is heading offensively. I don't know if Cross could have put a more poorly executed product on the field if he tried to do it on purpose. He also soured the relationships with several kids in STL where he was supposed to be an asset as a former STL HS player.
Promoting Walters was unwise as well. He has had some moments, but overall has been a disappointment in setting the defense and as a position coach.
I do think he made several good hires as a HC. Heupel, Elarbee, Haley, Hargreaves, Davis, Finley, and his brother all put solid products on the field. If Gibbs had more time I think he would as well.
People have their problems with Dooley but before getting injured, Bryant was keeping the offense on schedule. I wouldn't have thought Robinson's appeal denial would be a major factor but it has become pretty obvious why the staff wanted him available.
In the end, it's year four. You can't lose a majority of the games against South Carolina and Kentucky whilst getting your drawers dropped by Vandy/Wyoming/Purdue along the way and consider things as moving forward. There is a fracture in his locker room, empty seats, and revenue bonds on the south endzone. We will just assume that UGA and UF are going to hammer MU. Dropping the last two games isn't out of the question if the offense can't score more than 14 points. Sterk won't have a very hard decision to make given the cheap buyout and guys like Mike Norvell available.
Since he was attached to Pinkel and the hiring of Cross was a complete debacle, it added fuel to a fire that already had plenty of wood on it. The failure of Cross was huge. The defense he was supposed to bring works and would have been perfect for the overall direction the conference is heading offensively. I don't know if Cross could have put a more poorly executed product on the field if he tried to do it on purpose. He also soured the relationships with several kids in STL where he was supposed to be an asset as a former STL HS player.
Promoting Walters was unwise as well. He has had some moments, but overall has been a disappointment in setting the defense and as a position coach.
I do think he made several good hires as a HC. Heupel, Elarbee, Haley, Hargreaves, Davis, Finley, and his brother all put solid products on the field. If Gibbs had more time I think he would as well.
People have their problems with Dooley but before getting injured, Bryant was keeping the offense on schedule. I wouldn't have thought Robinson's appeal denial would be a major factor but it has become pretty obvious why the staff wanted him available.
In the end, it's year four. You can't lose a majority of the games against South Carolina and Kentucky whilst getting your drawers dropped by Vandy/Wyoming/Purdue along the way and consider things as moving forward. There is a fracture in his locker room, empty seats, and revenue bonds on the south endzone. We will just assume that UGA and UF are going to hammer MU. Dropping the last two games isn't out of the question if the offense can't score more than 14 points. Sterk won't have a very hard decision to make given the cheap buyout and guys like Mike Norvell available.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:43 am to navynuke
All of that is true. He came in with a bunch of good ideas, but the execution just has not been there even after four years. He has one of the lowest salaries in the SEC and is a Mizzou guy, it would have been nice for everyone if it had worked out. He also has a low buyout. I thought it would be next season but Sterk is a business guy, not a mousey faculty AD. The team would really have to turn around for him to save himself. If we get hammered by Georgia, then Florida, and probably at that point Tennessee I can't imagine him lasting.
It's ironic Memphis wanted Odom and settled for Norvell. If we raid Norvell they gonna be pissed.
It's ironic Memphis wanted Odom and settled for Norvell. If we raid Norvell they gonna be pissed.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 1:20 pm to MIZ_COU
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t's ironic Memphis wanted Odom and settled for Norvell. If we raid Norvell they gonna be pissed.
Norvell is not the guy to take over in the SEC. Need someone at Power 5 or an assistant at a powerhouse like OSU, Alabama, LSU, so forth. We need someone with the experience at a powerhouse level of knowledge that can recruit top players as well.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 1:43 pm to TrueLefty
Norvell was a coordinator at two P5 schools, grew up in Texas, and has spent the last 3 years recruiting the SEC footprint. He should be at or near the top of Sterk's list.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 1:58 pm to navynuke
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Norvell was a coordinator at two P5 schools, grew up in Texas, and has spent the last 3 years recruiting the SEC footprint. He should be at or near the top of Sterk's list.
Why was he not taken over Odom when it was obvious Odom was Memphis top choice?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:03 pm to surgicalvenom
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There is no coaches to make a list. Even if Odom resigned right now, there isn't anyone of substance to replace him.
There are always coaches out there. But with the new rules to pay players that will change everything! So it does not matter any more. Missouri is better off just keep Odom and be one of the rock bottom feeders with 3 stars players. Missouri does not have deep pockets to pay players to go to Mizzou. So might as well keep Odom.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:07 pm to TrueLefty
Man I would take a gamble and try for Brent Venables or Dave Aranda. I love the old days with potent offenses but this is the SEC.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:12 pm to TrueLefty
Who gives a shite about 2015? You are hiring the coach he is in 2019.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:18 pm to blueprint_one
Venables and Aranda aren't leaving coordinator positions where they have their choice of 4* and 5* rated players to come to Missouri.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:32 pm to navynuke
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Who gives a shite about 2015? You are hiring the coach he is in 2019.
I am talking about paying players! Where is the money going to come from to pay them? Does Mizzou have anyone to pay the players for 4 and 5 stars players? That is going to be the key for 2020 and on. If you can find someone willing to be bottom feeder since players will get paid and need to have people willing to pay them to go to Mizzou.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:46 pm to TrueLefty
You are having a tough time with the profit from likeness thing. Go back and read it again... very slowly.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:48 pm
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