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re: What schools comprise the true SEC "blue bloods"?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:12 am to dkreller
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:12 am to dkreller
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LSU - baseball
No. College baseball (hockey, track, gymnastics, tennis, etc..)isn't relavent to that discussion as it's increasingly a niche sport. Only football and basketball need apply in this contex.
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Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:15 am to droliver
Sorry bama sucks at baseball bro
add a dirt mound and backstop in a few trailer parks
???
Profit
add a dirt mound and backstop in a few trailer parks
???
Profit
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:25 am to Wildcat1996
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Why is this forum obsessed with "blue bloods"? It's no longer the 19th century and the SEC's dominance in college athletics is a relatively recent phenomenon. Programs peak and wane. Names like Michigan Nebraska, Southern Cal, Miami, and Florida State might have been considered blue bloods, but that's a long time ago. No one would call Clemson a blue blood, but would any Clemson fan trade places with Southern Cal to be called one?
Translation: We are not a blue blood. In fact we have never really accomplished anything of importance on the football field. If we had we would care about blue bloods.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:25 am to BLG
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What schools comprise the true SEC "blue bloods"?
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LSU won lots of games between 1958 (first consensus NC, AP/UPI-coaches) and Saban
LSU is 6th in the SEC in total wins 1958 to 2003. And actually, I was wrong about the total from 1970 to Nick Saban's arrival. LSU is also 6th in that timeframe. 6th in the conference, and you want to pretend LSU is a blue blood. That's just goofy. Till Nick Saban arrived there, not long ago, LSU was a mediocre also ran
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I didn't use the term bluebood, but in terms of SEC titles and Championships, LSU has won titles (SEC) as I noted. I strayed away from the term "blueblood" as I don't know what the definition is or how to quantify it. In fact, I was stressing the term "Brand" which Financial analyst can and have.
LSU had ups and downs, Some highs and lows. SEC title in 1961 with Dietzel, 1970 with Mac, then fall off with Stovall, SEC title with Bill Arnsparger in 86 and one with Archer in 1988, then fall off the map for the next decade, etc.
So lots of Variance.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 10:29 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:28 am to S
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Sorry bama sucks at baseball bro
Hey, LSU has a good baseball program, but the minor leagues kneecap the analogy to bluebloods in CFB and basketball. Even basketball is taking a step back with the "1 and done" and the likely trend of more top players going to the G league
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:32 am to dkreller
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LSU - baseball
It’s hysterical that LSU fans believe there is such a thing as blue blood college baseball
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:33 am to bamameister
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ALABAMA ruled the 70s. They won more college football games in that decade than any other team in the nation. A record for an 11 game schedule at the time. BAMA won 3 national championships in the 70s and they won the SEC championship 8 times out of the possible 10.
Alabama gets the edge possibly because of a Billy Sims fumble against Nebraska in ‘78. We did get our revenge though in the Orange Bowl.
One thing for certain, Nebraska didn’t dominate us in the ‘70s like they did the SEC.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:35 am to ChapelHillSooner
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ChapelHillSooner
Bottom line is that, assuming OU and Texas is a done deal, Alabama and Oklahoma are the only 2 football blue bloods.
Alabama and Oklahoma have a lot in common. Both mostly conservative states, great football tradition, and even the colors are near the same. Crimson and White for Alabama, Crimson and Cream for OU. Isn't that correct for you guys?
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:40 am to cajunbama
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What schools comprise the true SEC "blue bloods"?
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LSU - baseball
It’s hysterical that LSU fans believe there is such a thing as blue blood college baseball
Well for people who perhaps are associated with LSU or other SEC, ACC, PAC12, Big12 (i.e. Texas) and still follow baseball, there is. MLB covered the Draft and had a show like the NFL does.
Among MLB fans and fans of college ball who saw the draft (I did), the MLB analyst clearly described 1st round picks as playing at blue blood or big-time college teams. The 2 Vandy pitchers that went in the first round (Letter # 2 to Rangers, Rocker #10 to the Mets) were described as playing for one of college baseballs elite programs. In fact, Tim Corbin was on the set breaking down all the players, he played against most of them, and recruited all of them (HS players that went first round).
So there is a notion from MLB Network of baseball programs that are gold standard or elite, etc, which is synonymous with blue blood.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:11 am to cajunbama
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It’s hysterical that LSU fans believe there is such a thing as blue blood college baseball
There is. LSU
Gumps probably don't know what baseball is.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:14 am to mortgageman82
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Texas was a blue blood
Do what?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:14 am to Navtiger1
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Track All/Golf: LSU (lets be honest who cares)
LSU??
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There is. LSU
Gumps probably don't know what baseball is.
With the addition of Texas, LSU is squarely #2 in the conference in baseball.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:15 am to 308
Football: Alabama, Florida, LSU
Basketball: Kentucky….Arkansas, Florida
Baseball: LSU, Vandy, South Carolina
Overall Athletics(Olympic Sports): Arkansas, LSU, Florida
Basketball: Kentucky….Arkansas, Florida
Baseball: LSU, Vandy, South Carolina
Overall Athletics(Olympic Sports): Arkansas, LSU, Florida
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:29 am to RiverCityTider
That is not the actual definition . . .it is a pretty ironic term really and if people understood its historical use it would not be such a coveted status. .
The term Blue Blood means "a person of noble birth" . . . .nothing to do with money. It came about because the once influential families of early America suddenly found themselves out earned and not able to keep up younger, more brash, and much more connected entrepreneurs. All they could do was create social registries and brag their great grandfathers were something special decades prior.
So the term is really fitting for certain programs that kicked arse in the 1970s and have not done much since.
The term Blue Blood means "a person of noble birth" . . . .nothing to do with money. It came about because the once influential families of early America suddenly found themselves out earned and not able to keep up younger, more brash, and much more connected entrepreneurs. All they could do was create social registries and brag their great grandfathers were something special decades prior.
So the term is really fitting for certain programs that kicked arse in the 1970s and have not done much since.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:30 am to BLG
Yup. LSU is like Florida. By every objective measure, should be a consistent top 5 programs (premiere dog in premiere recruiting spot in the premiere conference) but never seem to get there. The “just the tip” category.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:48 am to momentoftruth87
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Arkansas - Track
“Look at me”
.. but no one cares
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:48 am to droliver
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What schools comprise the true SEC "blue bloods"?
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LSU - baseball
No. College baseball (hockey, track, gymnastics, tennis, etc..)isn't relavent to that discussion as it's increasingly a niche sport. Only football and basketball need apply in this contex.
Putting the "blueblood" discussion aside about what sports fit into the context of that discussion, here is something more about the big picture of sports and where perhaps college baseball will be in 10 years.
ESPN article here is I think relevant. First thing that pops up is Youth Baseball/softball etc participation is up 3 million just over the 5 year period 2013 to 2018. Football (Soccer surprisingly as well) declined. The decrease in football participation is a trend that has been going on for 10 to 15 years.
One thing that I think is going on is more and more kids that use to play football or even soccer are going back to youth baseball. Those are large numbers, even if 1 million of that is softball (and some youth girl leagues), 2 million more young youth baseball players is a big, big, number.
Those kids move from Little League, to next league, then get into these 13-14 year old Travel leagues (which are exploding) and all of a sudden you have a huge pool of 18 year old kids with exceptional baseball skills.
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So what if hypothetically, NIL $$$$ for baseball players is such that a top notch HS baseball prospect is more often to sign with an elite baseball program (LSU, Texas, Vandy, Florida, Miss. State, Virginia) or any SEC, ACC, team, etc.
Tre Morgan, LSU's Freshman 1st basemen is using NIL and running a camp and is going to make an estimated 25K to 45K running a 3 day baseball camp in New Orleans. He has his own webpage designed for it. TR has a link to it.
Those kids play in college and after 3 years go to the MLB draft. Of the 36 1st round MLB picks from the most recent draft, 17 of them were from the college ranks.
If NIL can allow baseball players to start making money, more and more of them may start going to the college route. Heck, LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne signed an NIL deal worth > $1million. I can see a top notch HS baseball recruit (say go in top 3 to 5 rounds) having the opportunity to make maybe Millions of $$$ on NIL in college and rather than hang out in the Minors, go to a college campus, play ball and enjoy all the extracurricular opportunities that you have (like hanging out with lovely coeds).
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:53 am to Nado Jenkins83
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More often than not kick their arse
Am I reading this right?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 1:28 pm to droliver
While baseball may be a “niche” sport currently…. With the NIL and the fan support of the sec, I see this changing. The players that normally would pass up on college and enter the draft now have an incentive not to do so. The money from sec doners and having 12,000 plus at your games is more intriguing than a one time signing bonus and sh#t pay playing in front of maybe 1000 fans at a AA park
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