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re: 12 Team Playoff
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:27 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:27 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:Sounds like MLS has a better president/commissioner. Having 120+ teams in one league is dumb.
Are there criteria to join FBS and MLS? Yes. The difference is FBS has a set criteria that anyone can reach. MLS has a criteria where the league can pick out who it wants regardless of what a team or set fans do.
quote:For the 1000th time, I have never said that.
The point, which you continuously refuse to explain, is that on one hand you’re supporting an open system for CFB - Every conference champion should make it regardless of conference strength, general strength of schedule, talent, etc.
quote:Welcome to pro sports. It's a business. They make business decisions that they deem to be in their best interest.
And on the other hand endorsing a system in MLS or any US professional league that excludes almost everyone based on things that don’t even happen on the field.
quote:How do you not see that these are 2 completely different things that are in no way related to each other? The teams in the G5 conferences are in the same league as the teams in the P5 conferences. USL teams are not in the same league as MLS teams. They aren't even in the same division. MLS only has 2 conferences, and the top 7 teams in each conference make the playoffs. Also, there's nothing stopping USL from creating their own D1 league to rival/surpass MLS. All they have to do is apply for D1 sanctioning and meet the necessary requirements.
That’s a consistent viewpoint. Being critical of CFB for not allowing every conference champion into a playoff, but not being critical of MLS or any other league for not allowing teams to even join the league based on unset criteria, does not make sense to me.
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Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:31 pm to TomRollTideRitter
When I was growing up, for years and years, there were at least four or five AFC teams better than the best NFC team. Yet, the NFC had it's spot in the Super Bowl.
There is never a perfect system.
NFL Divisions are not balanced, yet they each have a reserved slot. Was it fair when the Steelers and Raiders and Chiefs eliminated each other while the Vikings, an inferior team, made so many super bowls?
To cry over weaker conferences making the playoffs is akin to resenting the fact that the winner of each NFL division gets an automatic spot and home field advantage, regardless of how weak relative to wildcards or the other conference
At least the college system will, I presume, be seeded without regard to conference titles.
The only injustice worth really sweating is the neutral site in the round of 8. That IS a travesty. And they are doing it to to preserve bowl games. Those games should be played on the campuses of 1-4. If #5 gets to play #12 at home and then #4 on a neutral site, that is patently unfair. 5 should travel to 4's home campus.
That one issue is what must be corrected. Even if the season is shortened in order to do it so that those eliminated from round one can play in traditional bowl games.
There is never a perfect system.
NFL Divisions are not balanced, yet they each have a reserved slot. Was it fair when the Steelers and Raiders and Chiefs eliminated each other while the Vikings, an inferior team, made so many super bowls?
To cry over weaker conferences making the playoffs is akin to resenting the fact that the winner of each NFL division gets an automatic spot and home field advantage, regardless of how weak relative to wildcards or the other conference
At least the college system will, I presume, be seeded without regard to conference titles.
The only injustice worth really sweating is the neutral site in the round of 8. That IS a travesty. And they are doing it to to preserve bowl games. Those games should be played on the campuses of 1-4. If #5 gets to play #12 at home and then #4 on a neutral site, that is patently unfair. 5 should travel to 4's home campus.
That one issue is what must be corrected. Even if the season is shortened in order to do it so that those eliminated from round one can play in traditional bowl games.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:52 pm to RiverCityTider
I think if all the "new" rounds were made to be on campus that most people would be fine with it. It's not perfect, but I don't think it harms anything and the idea of getting a home playoff game (and a bye) is a pretty big incentive to win your conference. And having a home playoff game would be a pretty nice carrot for schools like Alabama and Clemson.
I hate the idea of adding more neutral site "bowl" games to the mix. Playing the Quarterfinal at the Citrus Bowl or the Gator Bowl sucks. Playing a 10-2 Oregon team at Bryant Denny, on the other hand? That sounds awesome.
I hate the idea of adding more neutral site "bowl" games to the mix. Playing the Quarterfinal at the Citrus Bowl or the Gator Bowl sucks. Playing a 10-2 Oregon team at Bryant Denny, on the other hand? That sounds awesome.
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 6/11/21 at 11:22 pm to RiverCityTider
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NFL Divisions are not balanced
The difference between the NFL teams is much smaller. The difference between the Big 10 and SEC compared to the Sun Belt and Conference USA is significantly larger compared to the difference between the best and worst NFL divisions. The NFL teams all have a lot of money and resources. They pick from the same pool of players. If anything the worst NFL teams usually have the most money to spend and get the first pick of players. So of course it’s going to be much more even. Even the 0-16 Browns team has some competitive games. A 2-10 Vandy team is going to struggle to not get blown out by 30 every game.
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To cry over weaker conferences making the playoffs
Only problem is auto bids. Just winning your conference should not be enough. In the NFL the teams are much closer, in the college there are ginormous gaps. Those teams should have do dominate their weak schedule, not get in just because they won their weak conference despite being 8-5.
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Even if the season is shortened
I don’t see how this happens. Most teams are not going to be making the playoffs. I can’t see the majority of teams sacrificing 1-2 games worth of revenue.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 11:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Neutral sites are lame in general. I’m glad we’re doing more home and homes in the upcoming years.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 11:39 pm to TheNameIsDalton
Conference championship games really shouldn’t have ever mattered anyway. The national champion is the only one who should be celebrating, and it’s refreshing to see college football move away from the participation trophy era
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:31 am to saban n bear
conference championships have always mattered and should continue to matter. but the idea of rewarding schools and conferences for playing a lesser schedule, is ludicrous!
so what happens when after a few years the g5's start getting left out all over again and all 12 cfp teams are once again power 5 conference teams, hmm... because that's exactly what will happen.
so what happens when after a few years the g5's start getting left out all over again and all 12 cfp teams are once again power 5 conference teams, hmm... because that's exactly what will happen.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:32 am to crimsontater
The playoff participants should be determined by the teams that have the most rush attempts between the tackles!
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:39 am to 1BamaRTR
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Neutral sites are lame in general. I’m glad we’re doing more home and homes in the upcoming years.
Nothing says college football like tailgating in a huge parking lot a few miles from the downtown area of a large city before heading to your seats inside a domed stadium where 2/3 of the seats are owned by corporate entities.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yea that would give teams more incentive also to get the higher seed. Would be nice if all games except the championship were on campuses
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:50 am to Bear88
If they expanded the playoff and made all the games but the title game on campus, with the title game rotating between the 5 "big bowls" (Cotton, Peach, Fiesta, Rose, Orange)..... I think this thing would have near unanimous approval.
It won't happen, but a compromise for all the added rounds to be on campus certainly feels doable.
It won't happen, but a compromise for all the added rounds to be on campus certainly feels doable.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 8:51 am
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:54 am to TomRollTideRitter
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The difference is FBS has a set criteria that anyone can reach
We will see if the new stadium changes things, but the only way UAB met FBS requirements in the past was by Birmingham buying up the tickets and then giving them away.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think if all the "new" rounds were made to be on campus that most people would be fine with it. It's not perfect, but I don't think it harms anything and the idea of getting a home playoff game (and a bye) is a pretty big incentive to win your conference. And having a home playoff game would be a pretty nice carrot for schools like Alabama and Clemson.
I hate the idea of adding more neutral site "bowl" games to the mix. Playing the Quarterfinal at the Citrus Bowl or the Gator Bowl sucks. Playing a 10-2 Oregon team at Bryant Denny, on the other hand? That sounds awesome.
The one thing I would advocate heavy for. These college towns and their businesses support these universities all year long. Let them be rewarded as well for their loyalty. Hate seeing money go to Atlanta or somewhere else when TTown and other college towns could use the money more.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:35 pm to pvilleguru
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How do you not see that these are 2 completely different things that are in no way related to each other? The teams in the G5 conferences are in the same league as the teams in the P5 conferences.
And there is the problem. Yes G5 teams are in the same league but yet play a B division schedule and yet have the opportunity to reap the A division benefits. Yes I know there are no divisions but the point is even though both are in DI the perception is G5 is a lower division.
To bad we can not have relegation and promotion in DI each season like in soccer.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:38 pm to TideWarrior
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The one thing I would advocate heavy for. These college towns and their businesses support these universities all year long. Let them be rewarded as well for their loyalty. Hate seeing money go to Atlanta or somewhere else when TTown and other college towns could use the money more
Absolutely. Personally, I don't love the idea of having a bloated 12 team tournament. However, I'd be happy with the trade off if it meant a December home game for a Quarterfinal.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
for the folks saying that the g5 teams deserve a shot at the title. so you'd be perfectly fine with telling a 5a regional champ high school football team, that they now deserve a shot at the 7a championship. because that is actually what is happening.
i wish they'd just start a g5 playoff.
i wish they'd just start a g5 playoff.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:41 pm to crimsontater
You guys may know this already but I didn't
#1 The top four have to be conference champs. So no bye if you don't win your conference.
#2 Power five Conferences champions are not guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. Oregon won the PAC 12 and would not have made the playoff one year.
#3 Notre Dame cannot get a bye as long as they are independent.
So basically, The SEC runner up will never be in the top four and will always have to play an extra game.
CBS contends that Bama would not have made the playoff in 2019.
Can someone explain that to me?
Where were we ranked after the Auburn game in 2019?
#1 The top four have to be conference champs. So no bye if you don't win your conference.
#2 Power five Conferences champions are not guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. Oregon won the PAC 12 and would not have made the playoff one year.
#3 Notre Dame cannot get a bye as long as they are independent.
So basically, The SEC runner up will never be in the top four and will always have to play an extra game.
CBS contends that Bama would not have made the playoff in 2019.
Can someone explain that to me?
Where were we ranked after the Auburn game in 2019?
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:00 pm to RiverCityTider
As far a timing goes, the first round will be at the higher seeds campus "right before Christmas".
The quarter finals will be on Jan 1 and 2nd (some years Jan 3) in a bowl game, and the semis "later in January". The final will be 1 or 2 weeks after that... So probably late Jan or early Feb.
And there you have it.
The quarter finals will be on Jan 1 and 2nd (some years Jan 3) in a bowl game, and the semis "later in January". The final will be 1 or 2 weeks after that... So probably late Jan or early Feb.
And there you have it.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:35 pm to RiverCityTider
We lost to LSU, then lost Tua, against Tamu, then lost to Auburn. Without Tua and those two games, the committee probably would not have put us in the top 12.
We were ranked 13th going into the bowl game.
We were ranked 13th going into the bowl game.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 9:35 am to Remiden
Let’s face the fact that this is all in response to the CFP being of no interest to anyone in the country outside the Southeast, the state of Oklahoma, and the state of Ohio. Sponsors and ESPN were bitching that they weren’t getting the bang for their advertising buck and something had to be done. So they got together and came up with this fricked up system of 12 to nearly guarantee a west coast participant and more competitors from the east and midwest. To wrap it it all in the guise of fairness, now even G5 elite teams have a chance to make it in.
And they are all praying for the day that the stars align and a G5 team pulls even just one upset in the playoffs. They are also praying that the additional competition might somehow break the stranglehold that Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson have on the trophy. Until that day comes, they will continue to tweak the formula until it happens. It doesn’t hurt that every tweak always means more games and more money for the people pulling the strings. It won’t be long until it is decided that 12 is just weird and doesn’t work well so, awww hell, let’s make it 16.
And they are all praying for the day that the stars align and a G5 team pulls even just one upset in the playoffs. They are also praying that the additional competition might somehow break the stranglehold that Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson have on the trophy. Until that day comes, they will continue to tweak the formula until it happens. It doesn’t hurt that every tweak always means more games and more money for the people pulling the strings. It won’t be long until it is decided that 12 is just weird and doesn’t work well so, awww hell, let’s make it 16.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 9:37 am
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