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Clemson and sign stealing
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:40 am
I read an article related to the Ohio State vs Clemson playoff game and Ryan Day is talking about Clemson and their sign/signal stealing. Apparently this is well known by other coaches and not just in the ACC. The article mentions Venables and his coaches/analysts have perfected it and nobody knows exactly how they are able to do it and get it down to the field for Venables to call the defensive plays. Just curious to see what others thought are on this.
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Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:42 am to beeko
I know Venables is fantastic. Maybe that's part of it.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:44 am to beeko
If you watched the ACC championship it was pretty obvious they knew what plays were coming
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:44 am to beeko
Sign stealing and sign deciphering are different things. People need to stop complaining about the latter
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:45 am to beeko
LSU seemed to do just fine against them last year, even with all that "sign stealing." Sounds like a crappy excuse. 
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:51 am to Glorious
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Sign stealing and sign deciphering are different things. People need to stop complaining about the latter
Correct
And if sign deciphering wasn’t allowed then why do we even come up with signals?
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:53 am to beeko
Yeah, I read that article also. Sounds like some sour grapes to me. If you can't get plays to your QB without the other team knowing it, that sounds like you need to get more creative with your signs, signals, communications.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:56 am to beeko
If someone is good enough at scouting to steal your signals, that's your fault not theirs.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:00 am to beeko
Wish the media would do some investigative journalism into Saban’s methods.
Instead they go after Dabo constantly.
Instead they go after Dabo constantly.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:12 am to bunkerhill
quote:Here's an idea. Tell a player on the sideline. Send that player into the game. Have the players huddle up and the player from the sideline tells everyone the play. Line up and run the play.
If you can't get plays to your QB without the other team knowing it, that sounds like you need to get more creative with your signs, signals, communications.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:21 am to beeko
Miami has also accused Clemson of doing it. Don't know how true it is and I don't care really. It is YOUR job to ensure your signals are not able to be "decoded." If people are figuring it out, then you have failed.
Now this is assuming they are just looking at the signals and figuring it out. I am not assuming they are secretly recording practices like the Patriots did. That's a whole other can of worms.
Now this is assuming they are just looking at the signals and figuring it out. I am not assuming they are secretly recording practices like the Patriots did. That's a whole other can of worms.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:26 am to AUstar
A smart coach would burn their arse with a bit of deception.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:27 am to AUstar
Don't make your signs so easy to steal then.
It's not like they're filming the signs before practice like the pats. If your signs are trash any coach is going to steal them. Seems like the winners of 6 games are already being salty vags
It's not like they're filming the signs before practice like the pats. If your signs are trash any coach is going to steal them. Seems like the winners of 6 games are already being salty vags
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:29 am to beeko
Humans are prone to patterns. I would assume Clemson is great at film study and playing the percentages.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:33 am to beeko
Could you imagine how WWII had gone if we weren't allow to have code beakers?
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:42 am to beeko
They are implimenting machine learning. Very easy to do.
Mark Rober - Stealing Baseball Signs with a Phone
Mark Rober - Stealing Baseball Signs with a Phone
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:47 am to beeko
What, exactly, is the definition of sign stealing? I’m having a hard time thinking up a way this would be done OTHER than scouting, learning, and reacting to things being done out in the open.
Now, if their competitors are changing them up on a weekly basis and Dabo is literally stealing the binders used to track them, I’ll hear you out. Aside from that, it sounds dumb.
Now, if their competitors are changing them up on a weekly basis and Dabo is literally stealing the binders used to track them, I’ll hear you out. Aside from that, it sounds dumb.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:47 am to beeko
How much is the fine nowadays for sign stealing?
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:54 am to GatorOnAnIsland
It’s one thing to do it during course of game in real time
If it’s sending analyst type staff to opponents games and filming them illegally I guess is the issue
Similar to pats having someone at browns game filming their sideline
If it’s sending analyst type staff to opponents games and filming them illegally I guess is the issue
Similar to pats having someone at browns game filming their sideline
Posted on 12/30/20 at 12:10 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Could you imagine how WWII had gone if we weren't allow to have code beakers?
How about code talkers ? I was just reading bout this the other day :
Every WWII combatant appreciated the need for an unbreakable code that would help them communicate while protecting their operational plans. The U.S. Marines knew where to find one: the Navajo Nation. Marine Corps leadership selected 29 Navajo men, the Navajo Code Talkers, who created a code based on the complex, unwritten Navajo language. The code primarily used word association by assigning a Navajo word to key phrases and military tactics. This system enabled the Code Talkers to translate three lines of English in 20 seconds, not 30 minutes as was common with existing code-breaking machines. The Code Talkers participated in every major Marine operation in the Pacific theater, giving the Marines a critical advantage throughout the war. During the nearly month-long battle for Iwo Jima, for example, six Navajo Code Talker Marines successfully transmitted more than 800 messages without error. Marine leadership noted after the battle that the Code Talkers were critical to the victory at Iwo Jima. At the end of the war, the Navajo Code remained unbroken.
Intel.gov
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