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re: Kirby Smart is officially a 1/3 of the way through Richt's tenor. When is a NC required?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:10 pm to Tigerbait357
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:10 pm to Tigerbait357
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All I’m saying is it’s apples and oranges when trying to compare Kirbys first 4 years to Saban and O
Both in terms of the schools they were at and the available resources and the success each had during that time. Kirby had more resources for sure and it’s reflected in the results.
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:13 pm to magildachunks
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There is nothing to suggest he will understand why he will keep failing. He will just tweak the little shite around him, but not himself.
He went out and hired a proven OC that will be able to develop our passing game. Kirby knows his offensive approach is not going to work in modern CFB. Your statement is blatantly false.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:13 pm to Dawgfanman
I wasn’t trying to dog Kirby. He has done a good job so far. Elite recruiter and is still very young in his head coaching career. Only thing missing is winning a national title. A change was needed offensively and he made it. We will see if it works.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:19 pm to Tigerbait357
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I wasn’t trying to dog Kirby. He has done a good job so far. Elite recruiter and is still very young in his head coaching career. Only thing missing is winning a national title. A change was needed offensively and he made it. We will see if it works.
I really don’t get the hate for him from LSU fans, not really talking about you. He’s been nothing but complimentary about LSU. He doesn’t usually make excuses for losses. He is a relentless recruiter and I’m sure pushes the limits so maybe that’s it. Will he win an NC? Who knows. If he doesn’t keep us in the hunt and at a minimum make the playoffs every once and a while and pull in an SEC title, he’ll lose favor. When would that happen is very dependent on circumstances. Richt had let the program go stale and it was time to change.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:19 pm to djsdawg
Kirby had better recruits when he came to Georgia. See previous four year classes for both programs.
Mullen MADE the players he had better. He is a better developer. Smart is a better recruiter. Mullen is one of the best developers in the game, he took guys underachieving and found a way to use them incredibly well. I mean freak we won four games the previous year.
Georgia had more five stars, and a higher blue chip rating on the roster when kirby arrived. Them not being drafted like Mullens kids only shows he does not develop as well, not that he had less talent to work with.
Mullen had a roster with I believe one five star, and the lowest blue chip ratio UF has had since recruit rankings started. We were absolutely not loaded.
Smart is a better recruiter and has Georgia set up insanely well. He built an amazing foundation. He does seem to have issues getting buy in from players at times for some reason, and getting the most out of the absurd talent he has recruited(especially on the offensive side).
Mullen is a better talent developer, I mean arguing otherwise is simply foolish. He has to improve recruiting overall to overtake Georgia on a yearly basis for sure though. Not recruit as good, because of his talent developing, but closer than he has been.
As for game day they are both similar. Smart a brilliant defensive mind but makes crazy decisions at times. Mullen is a brilliant offensive mind but also makes bat shite crazy moves at times.
They are both elite at the things theu excel at, but have they have to fix the problems each has to reach the finish line. Kind of that simple.
Both have safe jobs. Both are great coaches. Neither is elite yet. They both have that potential though.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:34 pm to Gatorbait2008
You can argue that Mullen is better at extracting talent on offense but he’s had a decade+ to learn how. Kirby is easily as good at getting elite play from his defenses. He lost his DC last year and the defense got better. We’ll see within five years if Kirbys strengths or Dan’s result in more SEC championships and playoff births. But regardless, winning a natty these days requires a lot of luck after you’ve fielded a team with top five talent levels.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:51 pm to ugacdawg
I said both are elite on their side of the ball.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:52 pm to ugacdawg
Yep Mullen has an uncanny ability for taking what talent he can find and fitting it into his offense effectively: Prescott, Fitzgerald and now Trask were all unheralded recruits. I think you can argue he's better at this than Meyer based on Florida's offensive struggles in 2010 and OSU's in 2015: looked like square peg/round hole at times.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:58 pm to RD Dawg
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Kirby inherited one of the worst senior classes in UGA history. ZERO seniors were drafted from the '13 signing class.
We really gonna compare Georgia to Toledo and Ole Miss?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:14 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Kirby had better recruits when he came to Georgia.
The NFL told us who had the best talent in the 1st 2 draft classes: 12 to 7 draft picks is an obvious UF advantage.
That proved my claim that people understated UF's roster with misleading claims like
quote:and overstated UGA's roster with "they won 10 games in 2015". In actuality, both of those teams were far closer to each other once you look past the surface.
I mean freak we won four games the previous year.
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He is a better developer.
Debatable. Make no mistake about it, Kirby has proven to be an excellent developer. For example, low rated recruits Deandre Baker and JR Reed both were All-Americans, and we are churning out high draft picks at OL and RB.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:25 pm to Gatorbait2008
quote:We almost lost to Georgia Southern in 2015. That “10” win season gets pointed out a lot, but that 2015 team was awful. Barely beating terrible teams, blown out playing their only decent competition.
I mean freak we won four games the previous year.
I mean, could you imagine.... LOSING to Georgia Southern? (Sorry, couldn’t resist)
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:30 pm to CBandits82
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We really gonna compare Georgia to Toledo and Ole Miss?
I've explained my statement several times to the tard LSU fan base.You can go look for it.
Quick question: Do you really think O is the same coach now as he was at Ole Miss?Do you think Saban is the coach he was at Toledo and MSU?
You think a 44 year old Coach O wins a NC at LSU?
Don't ya think for a second that having P5 HC expirence helps just a LITTLE win a landing a job like Bama,LSU,UF or UGA?
This whole bullshite narrative about a NC or bust for Kirby in his first 5 years I continually see from LSU fans is just flat out absurd.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:40 pm to djsdawg
Once again UF had less talent. Mullen developed his talent better.
Look at recruiting classes.
Proving the point Mullen develops better, and he does. Not even going to debate that with you. If you seriously cant even concede the obvious there is no point talking about it.
I admit the obvious. Smart is a better recruiter. There is no doubt there.
There is also no doubt Mullen develops better.
Look at recruiting classes.
Proving the point Mullen develops better, and he does. Not even going to debate that with you. If you seriously cant even concede the obvious there is no point talking about it.
I admit the obvious. Smart is a better recruiter. There is no doubt there.
There is also no doubt Mullen develops better.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:06 am to Mithridates6
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Yep Mullen has an uncanny ability for taking what talent he can find and fitting it into his offense effectively: Prescott, Fitzgerald and now Trask were all unheralded recruits. I think you can argue he's better at this than Meyer based on Florida's offensive struggles in 2010 and OSU's in 2015: looked like square peg/round hole at times.
Mullen is pretty good at identifying those diamond in the roughs and does a pretty good job of pulling out every ounce of their ability and molds them into solid football players. I feel that is one of his biggest strengths as a coach. He isn't an elite recruiter but I feel he does a good job working with less talented kids. I'm impressed at what he has been able to do with Trask given that kids background.
Thats one of the reasons he had some success at Miss St. I think Dan is doing a good job at Florida. Florida was a mess the year McElwain was fired (4-7). Won 10 games year one and now won 11 games year two which are good years. As a Florida fan obviously the next step is to finally beat Georgia in order to compete for an SEC title (eventually a national title).
In terms of Dan as a coach, I think he's a good coach but I feel like he can be a double edge sword at times. He will do things that make you think he is a wizard but then turns around and does something stupid that makes you shake your head.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:12 am to Gatorbait2008
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Once again UF had less talent. Mullen developed his talent better.
Look at recruiting classes.
Proving the point Mullen develops better, and he does. Not even going to debate that with you. If you seriously cant even concede the obvious there is no point talking about it.
I admit the obvious. Smart is a better recruiter. There is no doubt there.
There is also no doubt Mullen develops better.
At the end which team will win the National Championship first if either one gets it done?
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:44 am to Gatorbait2008
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Look at recruiting classes.
When comparing the 1st 2 drafts for each, that centers mainly on 13/14 for UGA and 15/16 for UF.
Keep in mind this is too flawed as it ignores injuries, early nflers, and transfers in and out.
Starting with UGA 13 vs UF 15:
8 of the top 11 guys never played for Kirby. Of the remaining 3, only 1 contributed as a SR in 2016 with the other 2 also transferring. Plenty of others also left before Kirby.
This class ended up with 0 drafted players in 2017 draft despite having 33 in it. ZERO. That is terrible.
The UF 15 class wasnt as bad as that, and you know it. It had 2 drafted players + Van Jefferson.
That moves the next comparison of UGA 2014 (+2015 early NFL) to UF 2016 (+2017 early NFL). I doubt you are going to see a huge UGA adv here, but go ahead and try to prove it.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 12:47 am
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:04 am to RD Dawg
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I've explained my statement several times to the tard LSU fan base.You can go look for it.
Quick question: Do you really think O is the same coach now as he was at Ole Miss?Do you think Saban is the coach he was at Toledo and MSU?
You think a 44 year old Coach O wins a NC at LSU?
Don't ya think for a second that having P5 HC expirence helps just a LITTLE win a landing a job like Bama,LSU,UF or UGA?
This whole bull shite narrative about a NC or bust for Kirby in his first 5 years I continually see from LSU fans is just flat out absurd.
This is an impressive melt.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:42 am to magildachunks
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Orgeron.
Oh wait...y'all would be too proud to hire someone with his previous record.
Smart is better than Orgeron when he doesn’t have Brady as OC. Just compare their overall records. Hell, even include that year and Smart still has a substantially better record.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:45 am to atlanta917
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Smart is better than Orgeron when he doesn’t have Brady as OC.
1. Brady was never the OC
2. 36-16
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 7:49 am
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:47 am to SidewalkTiger
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2. 36-16
So I guess Troy’s HC is better than O? La Monroe coach better than Saban? Brilliant logic. Sorry, but small sample sizes prove nothing.
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Orgeron @ LSU 40-9
O never coached before LSU?
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 7:49 am
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