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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:43 pm to Cobrasize
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:43 pm to Cobrasize
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They’ll control when or what procedures you can have.
Aside from not covering elective or experimental procedures there is very little evidence that this sort of thing goes on in the 95% of the developed world with some form of universal healthcare.
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You’ll have long lines for everything.
Having to wait an extra week to see a specialist or an extra month to get a knee replacement surgery is not the government controlling your fricking life. Your own personal inconvenience is a shitty argument against providing everyone access to affordable healthcare.
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There’s a reason people come to the U.S to get things done.
Yeah, because it's easier to get elective and experimental procedures done here and you can jump to the front of the line if you pay. It has nothing to do with us having some magical healthcare system that is significantly more advanced and higher quality on a procedure to procedure basis.
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:46 pm to Robot Santa
Oh yes, so we should just sign up for government healthcare and believe what they say and all our problems will go away. They might deliver a line like, “you’ll get to keep your doctor” or “you won’t have to pay for anything that you don’t need”.
No thanks, I’d rather pay for my healthcare and have a say
No thanks, I’d rather pay for my healthcare and have a say
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:54 pm to Cobrasize
If you want to see a completely government run health care system in this country, take a look at the horrible VA system. Even Medicare/Medicaid have private provider participation. I want nothing to do with socialized medicine if is based on the VA blueprint. I will freely admit that some other countries, some less developed than the US have figured out government provided universal access to healthcare and do it as well or better than us. We have a LOT of room for improvement.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:59 pm to phil4bama
To be fair, I don't favor full government run healthcare. If you want to let your employer choose your health insurance, you should be able do that. IF you want to pick out your own health insurance and pay for it, you should be able to do that. If you want to pay for Medicare while not being of age to otherwise qualify, you should be able to do that. And if you lose your job, you should be provided Medicare until you get back on your feet.
It is completely asinine that health insurance in this country is tied to your job/employer, and we pretend we have so much choice in our healthcare.
It is completely asinine that health insurance in this country is tied to your job/employer, and we pretend we have so much choice in our healthcare.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 3:06 pm to The Spleen
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and we pretend we have so much choice in our healthcare.
This is my problem with the "but muh freedoms" nonsense. You don't have any fricking freedom over your health coverage as it is. The only way your insurance isn't tied to your employment is if you are self employed, very young, very old, or very poor. This notion that freedom is having some company like fricking Kaiser or BCBS charge you $350 a month for the privilege of them covering part of your expenses after you've met a $2500 deductible is absolutely asinine.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 3:33 pm to Robot Santa
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Your own personal inconvenience is a shitty argument against providing everyone access to affordable healthcare.
Maybe in your opinion it is, but it makes a difference to me
Posted on 5/14/20 at 3:38 pm to phil4bama
America's problem is that it's an empire and not a real country. Also, too many special interests that prevent things getting done. Singapore's healthcare system is idolized around the world but Lew Kuan Yew got stuff done b/c he was a soft version of an autocrat. Same thing going on in Rwanda under Paul Kagame.
Democracy doesn't work, folks.
Democracy doesn't work, folks.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 3:45 pm to The Spleen
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To be fair, I don't favor full government run healthcare. If you want to let your employer choose your health insurance, you should be able do that. IF you want to pick out your own health insurance and pay for it, you should be able to do that. If you want to pay for Medicare while not being of age to otherwise qualify, you should be able to do that. And if you lose your job, you should be provided Medicare until you get back on your feet.
It is completely asinine that health insurance in this country is tied to your job/employer, and we pretend we have so much choice in our healthcare.
I can get down with this 100%. Great post.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 3:50 pm to VirgilCaine
Free market solves all of this.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 4:03 pm to RollTide4Ever
It's fascinating to observe people who constantly level accusations of racism, homophobia, incompetence, etc. at the leadership of the federal executive branch simultaneously clamor for those same people to have complete authority over everyone's healthcare outcomes.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 4:25 pm to TideCPA
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have complete authority over everyone's healthcare outcomes.
Bless your heart.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 4:44 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Democracy doesn't work, folks.
I'm trying my best to stay out of political discussions here, but... dude.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 4:59 pm to The Spleen
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So is profit driven healthcare.
This drives competition which provide better healthcare for those seeking it.
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At least universal provides health coverage when events out of one's control causes them to lose their job.
Do not confuse healthcare with health coverage. Insurance companies are the worst of them all. They continue to drive prices for healthcare up due to their greed. You want to make healthcare affordable go after the insurance companies. Instead Pelosi and her clones under Obama paid them to help develop a plan to ensure they would get rich.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:04 pm to paperwasp
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Democracy doesn't work, folks.
It sure beats the alternatives
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:11 pm to TideWarrior
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This drives competition which provide better healthcare for those seeking it.
Only for those with the means to seek out that healthcare. Got a shitty insurance plan? Sorry, you don't have the choice on who to see or what procedures you're afforded.
But my point was more towards the insurance side of it. There's little to no choice for a lot of people on health insurance, especially in states with only a small number of carriers present. That choice is even more restricted by tying health insurance to one's job, and restricts job advancement for some who feel they can't leave a job for something better because they'd lose their health insurance. It's a broken system.
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Instead Pelosi and her clones under Obama paid them to help develop a plan to ensure they would get rich.
You won't find me defending ACA very vociferously. A bill that large and sweeping is a mixed bag of good and bad, and its biggest downfall was not including a public option.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:20 pm to The Spleen
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Only for those with the means to seek out that healthcare. Got a shitty insurance plan? Sorry, you don't have the choice on who to see or what procedures you're afforded.
This is exactly what I mean. We have some of the best healthcare in the world. The issue though is the insurance options for people that deny them that care.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:27 pm to TideWarrior
And in regards to businesses reopening it will not solve anything short or long term. Restaurants will be required to follow specific guidelines like this:
That is the norm that is coming out in most states. Multiple issues there. One many owners will not be able to adhere to all that from a financial standpoint. Second great for the owner to open but not all staff will be needed and many will still be out of work. Third projections are showing many people worried for this to hit a another wave with a second lock down are looking to save money and not spend as much the rest of the year with fear of being in the same situation.
Other small businesses are going to be in the same boat. Many people will not get rehired. Look at CA where 23 colleges are going to go online only in the fall. How many staff will not be retained due to services not needed not to mention all the revenue from housing and over priced meal plans missing.
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Restricting the number of people inside the restaurant and the number of diners permitted at a table
Implementing social distancing rules, including spacing tables at least 8 feet apart
Requiring diners to wait outdoors or encouraging restaurants to provide reservation-only service so entryways aren't crowded
Requiring disposable menus
Requiring enhanced sanitization rules, especially for tables
That is the norm that is coming out in most states. Multiple issues there. One many owners will not be able to adhere to all that from a financial standpoint. Second great for the owner to open but not all staff will be needed and many will still be out of work. Third projections are showing many people worried for this to hit a another wave with a second lock down are looking to save money and not spend as much the rest of the year with fear of being in the same situation.
Other small businesses are going to be in the same boat. Many people will not get rehired. Look at CA where 23 colleges are going to go online only in the fall. How many staff will not be retained due to services not needed not to mention all the revenue from housing and over priced meal plans missing.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:28 pm to RollTide4Ever
Constitutional Republic
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:41 pm to Bear88
I would take the monarchy of Lichtenstein over the democracy of any country any day. What has democracy achieved?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:44 pm to RollTide4Ever
Freedom for one
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