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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:27 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:27 pm to TidalSurge1
Whooping Cough Outbreak in Florida
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Why? To protect all of the vaccinated kids? If the vaccine works, how is an unvaccinated kid going to cause vaccinated kids to become infected?
Because vaccines aren't ironclad doors and can be different for every person.
See whooping cough, which had all but been eradicated, and has come back with a vengeance in the last 7-8 years - mainly due to more and more parents refusing to vaccinate their kids.
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Vaccination against the disease involves a series of five shots given to young children at 2, 4 and 6 months of age, somewhere between 15 and 18 months, and a fifth dose between 4 and 6 years old. (However, the vaccine's protection against the disease can wear off as kids get older, so a booster dose of the vaccine is typically given between ages 11 and 18.) Pregnant women also now receive the whooping cough vaccine during their third trimester to provide protection to infants, the population at highest risk for pertussis complications.
People who get the whooping cough vaccine and still come down with the illness are more likely to have a mild case, compared with those who never got the vaccine, the epidemiological staff said.
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An outbreak of whooping cough, or pertussis, at a Florida preschool in which nearly all the students had been fully vaccinated against the disease, raises new concerns about the vaccine's effectiveness, a new report suggests.
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Only five of 117 students attending the preschool had not received all of the shots required by their age. This is the first time a "sustained transmission of pertussis in a vaccinated group of 1- to 5-year-old children has been reported in the United States," the report said.
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The outbreak began in September 2013, when the Florida Department of Health in Leon County became aware of a case of pertussis in a 1-year-old preschool student who was exempt from recieving the vaccine. The student's 3-year-old sibling had symptoms of the illness first, but did not go to the preschool. Two months later, another whooping cough case was reported in the same county in a 1-month-old infant. The infected baby's sibling and mother had ties to the preschool as a student and substitute teacher.
100% of people getting vaccines make it very difficult for a disease to spread, even if the vaccines aren't perfect or last forever. 20% of people having zero vaccines in their body makes the likelihood of spread much higher.
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Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:33 pm to TidalSurge1
You did actually post that. You literally said it prevented cancer.
Much like your take on vaccines here, you have shown a propensity to post the type of harmful non-scientific misinformation that is sadly far too prevalent in our society, the only reason I am bothering to reply to this absurdity.
It’s very simple. Vaccines are not effective when a virus is allowed to spread and mutate. They are a mechanism to implement herd immunity. If some are receiving vaccines but others are not, it reduces or even eliminates the effectiveness of the vaccines.
Much like your take on vaccines here, you have shown a propensity to post the type of harmful non-scientific misinformation that is sadly far too prevalent in our society, the only reason I am bothering to reply to this absurdity.
It’s very simple. Vaccines are not effective when a virus is allowed to spread and mutate. They are a mechanism to implement herd immunity. If some are receiving vaccines but others are not, it reduces or even eliminates the effectiveness of the vaccines.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Good links. Another infamous one in recent years, directly linked with the popularity of unscientific antivaxx misinformation online was the measles outbreak in Wales in 2013.
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Measles are of course completely eliminated in most modern countries with vaccine requirements. But the vaccines are only effective if like 95% of the population is vaccinated. When that doesn’t happen, see above. The vaccine rate fell from 94% to 78% in the years prior, and well, look what happened.
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Measles are of course completely eliminated in most modern countries with vaccine requirements. But the vaccines are only effective if like 95% of the population is vaccinated. When that doesn’t happen, see above. The vaccine rate fell from 94% to 78% in the years prior, and well, look what happened.
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:55 pm to Fleurs
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You did actually post that. You literally said it prevented cancer
In his defense, he said cottage cheese prevents cancer. The silver prevents viral and bacterial illnesses.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:59 pm to imjustafatkid
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I would go so far as to say that people who don't vaccinate their kids should not be allowed to put their children in public school
I'm pretty surprised that I actually agree with you on something.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:30 pm to Fleurs
quote:You're lying. I have never said nor believed that.
You did actually post that. You literally said it prevented cancer.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:35 pm to Robot Santa
quote:I did not say that either. I posted a link to information about it's use in combination with flax seed oil. Some use whey protein and fish oil instead.
In his defense, he said cottage cheese prevents cancer.
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:00 pm to imjustafatkid
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It is possible to believe people have a right not to vaccinate their children and the government should not be allowed to force them to do so, and still also hold the opinion that those people are nuts and should stay away from my kids.
Oh the irony there.
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I would go so far as to say that people who don't vaccinate their kids should not be allowed to put their children in public school, but we seem to have a fundamental problem against kicking kids out of public schools in this country so that probably won't happen.
It that not what you have been upset about now. That we each should have the right to our own decision about going out during the virus? That the government should not have a say. Yet you want the government to stop children from going to public schools like where yours go because they might bring a virus or disease on to them but yet have no concern that your children now may be carrying the covid-19 virus and spreading it to others because you feel it is your right and government can not infringe on that right. Got it
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:48 pm to TideWarrior
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It that not what you have been upset about now. That we each should have the right to our own decision about going out during the virus? That the government should not have a say. Yet you want the government to stop children from going to public schools like where yours go because they might bring a virus or disease on to them but yet have no concern that your children now may be carrying the covid-19 virus and spreading it to others because you feel it is your right and government can not infringe on that right. Got it
All you did here is show that you're not capable of following a discussion. The comments you quoted were in the context of a discussion about anti-vaxxers. No one puts people who don't get the flu vaccine into that category, and people who don't get the coronavirus vaccine also won't be in that category.
These are different discussions. Vaccines like the MMR vaccine where we've basically erradicated the virus (until idiots stopped getting vaccinated) are not the same as vaccines for coronavirus or flu.
No one is claiming a vaccine for this virus will eradicate it. This isn't the same as we beat MMR because everyone is vaccinated. No matter when we reopen, with a vaccine or not, this virus will still be killing people. This is an extremely different situation.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:02 pm to imjustafatkid
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ll you did here is show that you're not capable of following a discussion. The comments you quoted were in the context of a discussion about anti-vaxxers. No one puts people who don't get the flu vaccine into that category, and people who don't get the coronavirus vaccine also won't be in that category.
These are different discussions. Vaccines like the MMR vaccine where we've basically erradicated the virus (until idiots stopped getting vaccinated) are not the same as vaccines for coronavirus or flu.
No one is claiming a vaccine for this virus will eradicate it. This isn't the same as we beat MMR because everyone is vaccinated. No matter when we reopen, with a vaccine or not, this virus will still be killing people. This is an extremely different situation.
First of all in regards to the vaccine for MMR is not correct. I had them and still got the measles twice. So vaccines are not the end all. Not to mention even without the eradication in 2000 of the measles no more then 500 people a year died in the US.
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The measles elimination goal, first announced in 1966 and accomplished in 2000, was a monumental task. Before widespread use of the measles vaccine, an estimated 3 to 4 million people got measles each year in the United States, along with an estimated 400 to 500 deaths and 48,000 hospitalizations.
So please do not tell me about the measles with or without the vaccine and compare it to what the covid-19 is doing now in regards to death or the danger is presents. Even your comment about public schools lack knowledge of the measles as the majority of youth you do contract it are under the age of 5, which is before they attend. Another opinion of yours that is only opinion and nothing more.
Now in regards to your deflection I was talking about how you and a few others started in a thread going on about your right to choose to go out and shop or do business. That the government does not have the right to prevent you even though you may expose others to it but you complained it was your right and your decision. That if others were concerned about it they could stay home. But yet the anti-vaxx people(I am not) are arguing the same thing that they feel it is their right in regards to what to do with their body not the government but yet because you do not support you disagree.
My issue all along with this discussion is you are narrow minded like a few others. You like to give your opinion like it is the gospel but yet only see things when it benefits you. There is no difference, that both sides are claiming for their rights and do not want the government involved. But yet you support government intervention to get your way. The hypocrisy in your post is my issue and nothing more.
This post was edited on 5/16/20 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:36 am to Carlton
Goodness this thread is depressing. Back to avoiding it like COVID.
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