re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)

A few have turned this into a politicaal pissing thread instead of info on the pandemic.

If all you want is to talk politics, open another thread.

Cases and deaths re rising in state and nobody wants to hear the politicl bs.

To be fair that started happening on page 20 or somewhere much early on

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Obamacare didn't restrict your fricking freedom

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You clearly never purchased insurance prior to Obamacare. Obamacare made high-deductible plans illegal. Those are the plans the vast majority of Americans need.

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it was originally a Republican plan

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If recent events have taught you anything, surely you've learned that Mitt Romney isn't much of a Republican. However, even that moron has stated, numerous times, that it was never intended to be expanded nationwide.

Regardless, Democrats had to pass Obamacare through Congress by the skin of the their teeth. You will never be able to get through the fact that not a single Republican voted in favor of that abomination. We told you it was not a good bill and was a bad "solution." Every Republican amendment was voted down in Congress. Republicans made every effort to fix it. Democrats didn't listen.

As always, increased government involvement NEVER fixes anything. Government intervention in the free market will never be a solution with a good result. You should always oppose any such intrusion.

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I heard a spokesperson for the CDC yesterday that said she is much more concerned about the rise in children that are not getting their shots for existing diseases than she is about this inflammatory syndrome.

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Not sure what's happening anywhere else, but my 4 year-old is getting her shots next week, only about a month after her 4th birthday. I'm sure that month isn't going to kill her -- that's been her appointment date since before the pandemic after all.

Not sure who all these kids are that aren't getting their immunizations.

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No it didn’t. Several corporations even switched to high deductible plans while offering HSA’s to defray the OOP costs after ACA was implemented. AT&T was one of them.

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Yes it did. It forced insurance companies to cover things that high deductible low rate plans did not cover. Those plans are illegal now. You cannot get a cheap high deductible plan anymore.

When I first started out, I got a $100 a month insurance plan that only covered emergencies. That's all I needed, just like a large majority of Americans. On top of that, no extra taxes had to exist for me to get such coverage.

Those types of plans don't exist anymore, and it is because of Obamacare.

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It did make some high deductible plans that covered the bare minimum illegal, but not all high deductible plans.

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You're right. I guess I should have been more specific. It made all high deductible low rate plans illegal, and instead turned literally every plan into a high deductible plan.

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No it didn’t. Several corporations even switched to high deductible plans while offering HSA’s to defray the OOP costs after ACA was implemented. AT&T was one of them.

It did make some high deductible plans that covered the bare minimum illegal, but not all high deductible plans.

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While this is true, even if it wasn't, losing the ability to obtain a high deductible plan that covers the absolute bare minimum necessary to qualify as health insurance is not stealing anyone's freedom. It just stuns me how so many people equate freedom with getting to pick between a handful of shitty, criminally overpriced insurance plans that don't cover half the shite you need them to cover if you want to actually avoid bankruptcy when and if you run up 6 figures in medical bills. That is not freedom. It's the illusion of freedom.

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losing the ability to obtain a high deductible plan that covers the absolute bare minimum necessary to qualify as health insurance is not stealing anyone's freedom

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Of course it is.

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It just stuns me how so many people equate freedom with getting to pick between a handful of shitty, criminally overpriced insurance plans that don't cover half the shite you need them to cover if you want to actually avoid bankruptcy when and if you run up 6 figures in medical bills.

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That's what we have now. That's not what we had before.

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It just stuns me how so many people equate freedom with getting to pick

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Umm

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Yeah, because before Obamacare insurance premiums were $25 a month, claims were never denied, and bankruptcy over medical bills was unheard of. Going from 10 shitty, overpriced plans to 8 shitty overpriced plans was truly one of the great authoritarian measures of our time.

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I know you ignored it, but I explained to you how we got here. Obamacare wasn't the first step. The first step was capping wages during FDR's tenure, which led to company-sponsored health insurance plans. Obamacare was just the most recent step. Further government intervention will just be further steps in the wrong direction.

As for your bankruptcy comment, bankruptcy in the USA is rare. Not just bankruptcy from medical bills, all bankruptcy. Obviously, bankruptcy due to healthcare costs is even more rare. It is not a widespread problem.

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When I first started out, I got a $100 a month insurance plan that only covered emergencies. That's all I needed, just like a large majority of Americans. On top of that, no extra taxes had to exist for me to get such coverage.

Those types of plans don't exist anymore, and it is because of Obamacare.

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I may misunderstand what you are saying here but you can still get catastrophic health insurance plans. Now you have to meet certain requirements. Either under the age of 30 or in need due to financial hardship. But low monthly premium with high deductible.