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Posted on 1/14/20 at 8:28 am
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 8:28 am
So, you guys who know football, (that knocks you out of the discussion Shaft), what kinds of adjustments do you see needing to be made in order to deal with modern offenses? Perhaps more high risk-high reward plays, like looking to jump routs? Go back to mount Cody in the middle will leaner defensive ends?

I will hang up and listen.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 8:54 am to
Not have half of your starters injured for the season.
Posted by IB4bama
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:16 am to
Not sure that can be stopped unless the refs start calling holding on the O linemen. But the def backs get away with a lot of holding too. I think you really need fast linebackers. What we have isnt going to work. Clemson's linebackers at least got to Burrow a number of times when they blitzed. Obviously if Burrow completes 90 pct of his passes against a 3 man rush, you might as well take your chances with pressure or he will just pick you apart. That just wears your players down too and the 4th qtr become a jail break. Most QBs are easier to confuse and defend than Burrow, though. That guy is deceptively fast. And tough.
Posted by Shaft Williams
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:18 am to
quote:

So, you guys who know football, (that knocks you out of the discussion Shaft), what kinds of adjustments do you see needing to be made in order to deal with modern offenses? Perhaps more high risk-high reward plays, like looking to jump routs? Go back to mount Cody in the middle will leaner defensive ends?


I'm glad I'm on your mind.
Posted by RammerJammer91
Member since Jan 2016
5195 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:25 am to
Just to start:

1. Not fatten up the DE's to the point where they can't rush the passer.

2. Do the opposite of whatever they've done with LB's in fall camp the last 2 years that has resulted in season-ending injuries.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:26 am to
D-line looks to be in good shape. If the assignment light comes on for Barmore with spring and fall camp our D-line should be excellent. The down side is that if Barmore does make that move he will continue the move out of the program and we only get one strong year out of him. I expect Ray to have a good year and jump to the NFL as well. Next two men up have to be identified and get good experience next season.
ILB - Moses and Harris should be good to go. Kaho/Lee/Kennedy/Bratton - We need two of them to step up to provide depth and add to the base for 2021.
OLB - it is moving day for Allen, I hope he is ready to step up. We need two more from the rest of the group to show they are ready go - 6 or 7 bodies that could do it but time to see who will do it.
Safety - Battle and Hellams look to be the future there. Battle appears to be the braintrust to run the backend show. Is he ready mentally to be That Guy? Hope so is all I got at this point.
CB - this will be Surtain's year. By the end of April we should know who will join him. We need two of the group Jobe/JAD/R Williams to take their place on the field.

I suspect the spring for Hellams/R Williams/Kaho/Barmore to determine how high the Tide rises next season.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:34 am to
I wouldn't call this a schematic adjustment as much as coaching and technique, but what made Joe burrow so special this season and why I think he'll struggle early in the NFL is this-

His shots downfield, more often than not, are 50/50 balls. He's not throwing guys open, he's not throwing pinpoint passes to guys in stride that have a step on the defender, he's simply throwing it to really good players that are looking when their defender isn't. I bet he threw 20 touchdowns this season where the DB was in perfect coverage but never looked for the football. It takes balls to make that throw. It's a risky throw. But if you're confident in your scouting and know that the cornerback hasn't turned to find the football all year, it's really not a risky throw.

Against great QB's like that that realize the reward outweighs the risk, my message to the defensive backs would be pretty simple. Defensive backs know when they're beat or out of phase, you see them panic and start to grab. So, defensive back, if you think you're beat, just turn your head around.

Easier said than done because that has to be instinctive or coached into a kid one, but the difference in Derrick Stingley getting 6 interceptions on the year and leading the country in pass breakups wasn't athleticism of the ability to stay in phase, Diggs did that all year and #8 from Clemson did that all night last night. They both got torched against LSU because they might as well have been blindfolded. Chase and Marshall are looking at the ball and the DB isn't. If you're toasted, resign to punishing the arms and hands and separating the football, don't worry about finding it. If you're beat by a step between 15-40 yards, just turn your damn head around and catch the ball. You know it's coming because that's a good QB and your guy has a step on you down the field. It's the most maddening thing that Saban teaches to me. You need a WR mindset when the ball is in the air. It's fair game when the ball takes flight, find it and go get it.

From a "scheme" standpoint, the same thing will work now that has always worked against any balanced offense.

Be able to pressure the QB with 4 players. That's recruiting, scouting, and execution. Doesn't matter who is playing QB. If he's under pressure and you have 7 guys defending 4, you have a tremendous advantage.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44400 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:36 am to
There is one way and one way only to slow down a well executed spread offense with a good QB and WRs and that is to generate consistent pressure with a 4 man rush. If you are constantly having to blitz to create pressure then you'll get burned by it a lot more often than you'll see any benefit from it.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14496 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:24 am to
Saban said it last night. Disrupt the quarterback. If you can disrupt the QB you can get negative plays and sometimes turnovers. Now, it's awesome to be able to do this with four guys, but if you can't you need to bring pressure and live with the fact that you're going to give up some chunk plays. One issue is that our DL are so big that most of them don't have explosive pass rush ability. I wish they were a little smaller and quicker, but I don't see that happening unfortunately.
Posted by Broken Coyote
Seated. Facing forward
Member since Dec 2010
3051 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:45 am to
Good thread. Pondering the last two seasons I was thinking of starting a thread asking if we will ever see dominate defense again. I am not a fan of the 45-48 scores in today’s game. I suppose the rules/penalty enforcement and offenses have changed the game forever. Dinosaur I may be, I’ll never be a fan of winning games 55-31, giving up 300-400 yards. That just doesn’t feel like Alabama football to me.
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
2919 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 4:48 pm to
One thing is to stop starting each play with 3 or 4 players AT the LOS. We should have at least 5 at the LOS for every play. We don't have to rush 5 but for heaven's sake, mix up the looks to make the QB think. With the current passing attack, bringing pressure from the LB or DB spot is too slow. It works occasionally but most of the time, it's ineffective and takes someone out of coverage.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

Go back to mount Cody in the middle will leaner defensive ends?


No, we abandoned that scheme immediately after the 2013 season. We've been 2-gap up front ever since, and won't be going back to lineman that size. They've been phased out of modern CFB by the spread/hurry up.

quote:

what kinds of adjustments do you see needing to be made in order to deal with modern offenses?


I don't think we need to change anything schematically. In the secondary, everyone that matters has copied Saban's pattern matching stuff, and so we've been and are the standard schematically on the back end.

The only "changes" we need to make is to get better players and keep them in Tuscaloosa longer. Too many guys leave early, and it robs us of getting lengthy contributions from these guys while they're upperclassmen.

Our defensive gameplan was hurt by one thing more than anything else this year - extreme youth at ILB. This literally meant that a chunk of the playbook is missing when designing gameplans during game week, and a DC's ability to adjust midgame is severely limited -limited to only what has been installed up to that point in the season. And even late in the season, it's still a small fraction of the playbook that would be available to make adjustments if the ILBs had been upperclassmen.

We just need to recruit and develop players to the best of our staff's ability, and hopefully have our units on both sides of the football littered with experienced players. And keep them in TTown as long as possible.

Richt was on Finebaum a day or 2 ago, and while talking shop, waxed lyrical on how much easier it is to make in-game schematic adjustments if the players are experienced/upper classmen, and how difficult it is to adjust to what a team is doing midgame if the players are young. Said it was night and day, paraphrasing his words, obviously.

Personally, I'd like to see us blitz more, but that's predicated on having good, experienced players who can play on islands.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 6:04 pm
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