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re: CFP - the hatchet that killed the golden goose
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:08 am to TailbackU
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:08 am to TailbackU
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Gone are the days of national interest. College football is a regional draw now. Clemson and LSU are the best 2 teams and there isn't a team on the horizon in another part of the country that will compete in the coming years. PAC12,Big12,B1G,are an afterthought save for tOSU and OU. The best thing that could happen to the sport is that a Texas, Oregon, Washington, USC, Notre Dame, PennSt, win a natty. The sport is dying and we are the last part of the country to feel it because we are the beneficiary of the greed.
The sport was unique among sport with the bowl and the polls but we had to kill it and make it like every other sport. The only difference is that its NOT like other playoff sports. Win the NFL or the NBA and you get the last draft pick. Win the CFP and you get you get a disproportionate number of first rounders.
Scumbag, cheating Bagmen are concentrated among Deep South Schools with accommodating Academics so that's where the concentration of Elite Recruits end up
Hopefully the NIL rules and the potential monies going to players will more evenly distribute the Elite Recruits throughout CFB, and can revive places like USC, Texas and other schools and give CFB more balance Nationwide
For example, over the last 1-2 Recruiting Classes the Top players out of Cali are going to Bama, Clemson, even UGA (a RB), those players would have normally gone to USC and put them in the CFP race
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Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:10 am to TailbackU
A watered down bowl system where everyone gets a trophy mentality is half the problem. 5/6 loss teams shouldn’t plY in post season. And it was greed for Television $ Imo. Shrink the bowls. And it’s always had blue bloods and dynasties. Miami 90s. OU Nebraska.. tney did the same thing which was dominate.
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Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:34 am to NaturalBeam
quote:I think the OP's point is right.
What does that have to do with the CFP? Your overall point is reasonable, but you could argue the CFP is actually better because it allows for 4 teams from around the country to have a chance to win a title rather than the old system where there were o Lt 2 teams left standing after the first week of December.
College football used to not be about #1, because it was a poll and only one team could win "#1"... but those polls were debatable. And you have over 100 teams playing, no way for sure to know who really was the best.
SEC; goal was to win the conference and make the Sugar Bowl, and if you won that your season was fantastic.
Big 10 and Pac 10, goal was not only to win the conference, but win the Rose Bowl. Etc etc.
After all was said and done, you'd have 4-5 teams (winners of the BIG bowls) ecstatic and on top of the world, another 5 very proud of their year (the ones that got there but lost), and then same pride and satisfaction to the teams that won the lesser bowls. And everyone that got to a bowl would have some measure of satisfaction, depending on the tradition of the program.
Look at LSU; remember when beating Florida, Auburn and Alabama used to mean greatest season ever?
Or Ohio State- they would be gearing up to play in the Rose Bowl against Oregon right now.
Now, the season is over before the bowls, except for 4 teams. LSU had stars sit out the bowls in the past, we expect Bama to do so this year. UGA and Bama have played the "it doesn't really matter" card when not making it to the BIG game, something unheard of in the past.
TL, DR version- college used to have roughly 30 teams (and fanbases) happy at the end of the year; now it's like the NFL. Saints fans weren't happy after last season, Bills fans weren't happy after Kelly's 4 Super Bowls in a row (all lost). Ohio State isn't happy despite a phenomenal season, and more to the point either LSU or Clemson have won a postseason game and still won't be.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:34 am to TheHat7
Cut it back to 25 Bowls tops, that includes the CFP Semis, so that means 23 Bowls for all the other Teams
Also P5 CFB needs to cut loose the FCS scheduling, it isn't the responsibility of the P5 to financially subsidize lower level shytty CFB by paying for mostly guaranteed wins
Since the shytty NCAA won't do their Jobs, the P5 & the G5 Conferences need to come to an agreement where the P5 plays at least 10 games per year in their own Conference via a Conference Sked, and then can add 2 G5 games if they want to
The Big 12 needs to add Houston, Rice, & Arky if they want to and maybe Mizzou, which will then open up a slots in the SEC, for any combination of UCF, USF, or GT, and then the ACC can find someone for GT's slot if we go back to the SEC, possibly UCF or USF if they don't go to the SEC
Once that's done, regular season scheduling can be addressed, expand the CFP to SIX teams and then all will be right in the CFB Universe
Also P5 CFB needs to cut loose the FCS scheduling, it isn't the responsibility of the P5 to financially subsidize lower level shytty CFB by paying for mostly guaranteed wins
Since the shytty NCAA won't do their Jobs, the P5 & the G5 Conferences need to come to an agreement where the P5 plays at least 10 games per year in their own Conference via a Conference Sked, and then can add 2 G5 games if they want to
The Big 12 needs to add Houston, Rice, & Arky if they want to and maybe Mizzou, which will then open up a slots in the SEC, for any combination of UCF, USF, or GT, and then the ACC can find someone for GT's slot if we go back to the SEC, possibly UCF or USF if they don't go to the SEC
Once that's done, regular season scheduling can be addressed, expand the CFP to SIX teams and then all will be right in the CFB Universe
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:51 am to Scoob
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College football used to not be about #1, because it was a poll and only one team could win "#1"... but those polls were debatable
Why do you want a champion decided by bias votes from across the country? It was curropt and full of personal biases.
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TL, DR version- college used to have roughly 30 teams (and fanbases) happy at the end of the year
No they didn't and the off season was full of whining and bitching about a true NC.
Sorry,the "everyone gets a trophy ship" sailed a long time ago.
Do you even remember pre BCS or CFP? About 90% of the national sports media ripped CFB on a daily basis for not having a playoff and now they're somehow the "good old days?" Talk about revisionist history.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:56 am to TailbackU
Nah, population shift and demographics shifted from the Midwest to the south. Really the Midwest is a shithole and their residents are flooding south. The west coast has become a third world socialist distopia and they could careless about football.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:04 am to LSURulzSEC
Just because games are broadcast nationally doesn’t mean people across the nation are watching. I work out of offices in California and Colorado and NO ONE out there gives a shite about college football. My family in NYC doesn’t give a shite about college football.
Kids in those areas, as well as Texas & ATL, have other sports to choose from that we didn’t... lacrosse, soccer, etc. One of my friend’s son who grew up in southern Cali surfed and played water polo ...all the way to a college scholarship in the northeast. The national interest is not growing, it’s diminishing.
College football has reached the zenith of its national popularity. Last year’s national championship game is case and point - lots of folks from the southeast flew out to San Francisco. No one from San Francisco nor California, Oregon, Washington, nor Nevada (outside of Vegas), gave two shits about that game.
The fact national champs are concentrated in a specific region, complete with all the factors that lead up to that (high school participation levels regionally, colleges elsewhere investing in facilities, recruiting, etc., etc., etc., pretty much defines it as a regional sport.
Kids in those areas, as well as Texas & ATL, have other sports to choose from that we didn’t... lacrosse, soccer, etc. One of my friend’s son who grew up in southern Cali surfed and played water polo ...all the way to a college scholarship in the northeast. The national interest is not growing, it’s diminishing.
College football has reached the zenith of its national popularity. Last year’s national championship game is case and point - lots of folks from the southeast flew out to San Francisco. No one from San Francisco nor California, Oregon, Washington, nor Nevada (outside of Vegas), gave two shits about that game.
The fact national champs are concentrated in a specific region, complete with all the factors that lead up to that (high school participation levels regionally, colleges elsewhere investing in facilities, recruiting, etc., etc., etc., pretty much defines it as a regional sport.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:07 am to PeeJayScammedGT
You realize usc got in trouble for cheating don’t you? And that they are a private institution that is considered one of the best schools in the country ? You think any of their football players would be there if not for football? Use your head
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:18 am to TailbackU
PAC may legitimately be the second-best conference.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:26 am to RD Dawg
quote:I guess the bigger thing is, why do you want a single champion so badly?quote:
College football used to not be about #1, because it was a poll and only one team could win "#1"... but those polls were debatable
Why do you want a champion decided by bias votes from across the country? It was curropt and full of personal biases.
I remember the year Miami and Washington split the polls, and Colorado and Georgia Tech. Those weren't dimished seasons, if anything they were more memorable.
As for CHAMPIONS, they get decided on the field... the SEC champ. The Big 10 champ. And so on.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:42 am to RoscoeSanCarlos
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Kids in those areas, as well as Texas & ATL, have other sports to choose from that we didn’t... lacrosse, soccer, etc. One of my friend’s son who grew up in southern Cali surfed and played water polo ...all the way to a college scholarship in the northeast. The national interest is not growing, it’s diminishing.
This is bullshyt
The metro ATL Area and most of Texas is hotbed for HS FB and they are always among the Top5 places for HS FB talent ( GA & Texas that is)
No matter how much you liberals wish it were so ,the USA is never gonna be a "Soccer Nation"
BTW without the TV Money from big time CFB & MBB, none of those chicken shyt pansy azz liberal sports would be able to generate enough money to fund those PARTIAL scholarships
All that lacrosse, water polo and surfing shyt ain't worth a damn if there's no money to fund scholarships
In summary, those bullshyt sports EXISTS on the College level BECAUSE OF CFB & MBB, not in spite of them
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:57 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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All that lacrosse, water polo and surfing shyt ain't worth a damn if there's no money to fund scholarships
Okay macho man, but you're not taking into consideration that the kids who play and follow those sports are the adults in 20 or 30 years who will be buying PSL's, corporate suites, etc. I played football, my father played football, and while my kids have a passing interest in CFB (because I've taken them to games) they have far more interest in other things.
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No matter how much you liberals wish it were so ,the USA is never gonna be a "Soccer Nation"
Has nothing to do with liberal or conservative (though this is a typical trope) it has to do with changing demographics, interest, and experience. One need only to attend an MSL game in the heart of SEC country, the Atlanta United, to see that things are changing and that CFB is not on the wax, it is on the wane. Oh, and just wait till the labor force is no longer free.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 12:18 pm to TailbackU
I’m less and less interested in college football every year myself. It used to be anyone from any conference could compete for a title or a big time BCS bowl. Now, it’s Bama and Clemson with another occasional southern school like FSU, UGA, UF, Aub, and LSU stepping in every now and then, but outside of that, nobody else save Ohio State have really made any noise in over a decade of college football outside the south. When the same handful of teams from same region of the country are at the top of the mountain in bowls and recruiting every single year, it gets old. USC, Texas, Nebraska, OU, Mich, and so on, can no longer compete with the surplus of talent in the south. I’m slowly retrieving my black and gold for red, gold and white. Go Chiefs! And rip CFB.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 12:25 pm to pvilleguru
I think his point is the playoffs have made the rest of the bowl games irrelevant and it has. Facts are though the same 10 teams are typically going to be in the top ten of recruiting every year and winning does guarantee in CFB that you will continue to get the best players.
ETA that said Alabama is the beneficiary of that system at this time as well as LSU Ohio State Clemson Georgia and I don’t want it to change. If I’m being honest.
ETA that said Alabama is the beneficiary of that system at this time as well as LSU Ohio State Clemson Georgia and I don’t want it to change. If I’m being honest.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 1:10 pm to TailbackU
I for one will be thrilled when the players get a larger piece of the revenues they generate, I have no problem with players getting paid
The only reason we have any interest in competitive cheerleading and those other non Revenue crap sports is the money generated by P5 CFB & MBB
If that money ever dries up those other sports are cooked because partial schollies that exist now due to welfare from the big money sports, will become so small that it won't be worth the time & sacrifice involved
No one would pay an arm & a leg for expensive cheer camps for their daughters from age 6-18 if there were no cheer scholarships to payoff at the end, same goes for all those other non Revenue welfare sports
The only reason we have any interest in competitive cheerleading and those other non Revenue crap sports is the money generated by P5 CFB & MBB
If that money ever dries up those other sports are cooked because partial schollies that exist now due to welfare from the big money sports, will become so small that it won't be worth the time & sacrifice involved
No one would pay an arm & a leg for expensive cheer camps for their daughters from age 6-18 if there were no cheer scholarships to payoff at the end, same goes for all those other non Revenue welfare sports
Posted on 12/29/19 at 1:48 pm to Scoob
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guess the bigger thing is, why do you want a single champion so badly?
Because almost every team sport in history has a single champion.
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Colorado and Georgia Tech.
I highly doubt either team would have survived a playoff test.Tech beat a Nebraska team that came off a 35 pt loss to Oklahoma.Do you really want a NC crowned in the Citrus Bowl under those circumstances?
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Posted on 12/29/19 at 2:30 pm to RD Dawg
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I highly doubt either team would have survived a playoff test.Tech beat a Nebraska team that came off a 35 pt loss to Oklahoma.Do you really want a NC crowned under in the Citrus Bowl under those circumstances?
The real issue that most folks like you are forgetting is that GT did everything possible to get a shot at Colorado and then that would have given the fans #1 in the AP Poll vs #1 in the then UPI-Coaches Poll
What fvcked everything up was the azzhole Bowl Chairman from the fvcking Orange Bowl guaranteeing ND the Orange Bowl slot 3 days after Halloween and screwed the CFB Fans out of a #1 vs #1 Orange Bowl- GT vs Colorado ,for the sole Nat'l Champion
This is what nudged CFB towards the BCS to guarantee a #1 vs #2 matchup
A lot of folks that claim to be CFB fans are kinda light on the details that got us to where we are today
Posted on 12/29/19 at 2:55 pm to el gato
I think it is the guaranteed conference payouts along with the mediocre bowls that have made schools lazy in their athletic programs. UNC can Hire MAC Brown, go 6-6, and get about the same payout as going for broke and hiring a great coach. Make it to a bowl, have a post season, draw a check.
Going 6-6 even with a bad team is pretty easy to do with creative scheduling. Your conference is guaranteed a fixed amount of bowl payout that gets thrown in a pot and redistributed. Let schools keep the entire bowl payout, and earn their conference payout based on eyeballs drawn, or performance etc., football will change for the better for some, the rest will wither on the vine, as they should.
Going 6-6 even with a bad team is pretty easy to do with creative scheduling. Your conference is guaranteed a fixed amount of bowl payout that gets thrown in a pot and redistributed. Let schools keep the entire bowl payout, and earn their conference payout based on eyeballs drawn, or performance etc., football will change for the better for some, the rest will wither on the vine, as they should.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 3:11 pm to Bulldogblitz
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Don't forget the ones who want to give birth to Joe Burrow's corn dogs.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 3:21 pm to TailbackU
What a stupid take.
Let's look at the participants in the College Football Playoff since 2015:
2015
1-Clemson - 13th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2-Alabama - most talented team
3-Michigan State - 23rd most talented team, 4th in their conference
4-Oklahoma - 16th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2016
1-Alabama: most talented team
2-Clemson: 9th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
3-Ohio State: 5th most talented team, 1st in their conference
4-Washington: 24th most talented team, 5th in their conference
2017
1-Clemson: 9th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2-Oklahoma: 16th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
3-Georgia: 4th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
4-Alabama: Most talented team
2018
1-Alabama: 2nd most talented team, 1st in their conference
2-Clemson: 6th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
3-Notre Dame: 10th most talented team, independent
4-Oklahoma: 11th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2019
1-LSU: 5th most talented team, 3rd in their conference
2-Ohio State: 2nd most talented team, 1st in their conference
3-Clemson: 9th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
4-Oklahoma: 8th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
Let's look at the participants in the College Football Playoff since 2015:
2015
1-Clemson - 13th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2-Alabama - most talented team
3-Michigan State - 23rd most talented team, 4th in their conference
4-Oklahoma - 16th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2016
1-Alabama: most talented team
2-Clemson: 9th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
3-Ohio State: 5th most talented team, 1st in their conference
4-Washington: 24th most talented team, 5th in their conference
2017
1-Clemson: 9th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2-Oklahoma: 16th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
3-Georgia: 4th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
4-Alabama: Most talented team
2018
1-Alabama: 2nd most talented team, 1st in their conference
2-Clemson: 6th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
3-Notre Dame: 10th most talented team, independent
4-Oklahoma: 11th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
2019
1-LSU: 5th most talented team, 3rd in their conference
2-Ohio State: 2nd most talented team, 1st in their conference
3-Clemson: 9th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
4-Oklahoma: 8th most talented team, 2nd in their conference
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 3:23 pm
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