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re: CFP - the hatchet that killed the golden goose
Posted on 12/29/19 at 3:44 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 12/29/19 at 3:44 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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What fvcked everything up was the azzhole Bowl Chairman from the fvcking Orange Bowl guaranteeing ND the Orange Bowl slot 3 days after Halloween and screwed the CFB Fans out of a #1 vs #1 Orange Bowl- GT vs Colorado ,for the sole Nat'l Champion
Reason A1 for not letting those smug, curropt Bowl overlords decide a NC.They routinely did horseshite like that.They jumped they gun in '80 and '81 by prematurely inviting ND and then Pittsburgh in '81 who both promptly lost the week after accepting.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:02 pm to TailbackU
I think your take is not only wrong but 100% backwards. The playoff is the only reason the regional trend of CFB could possibly be reversed.
Right now the SEC champion and Clemson are hogging 2 spots every year. Under the BCS you only have two spots. Those spots will be disproportionately taken every year by those two teams, and regional interest outside the South will fade.
But because of the playoff, the following teams outside the South either made the playoff or had a shot (generously calling Oklahoma Southern, even though it’s not, because most non-Southern people would regard it as such):
Ohio State
Minnesota
Penn State
Wisconsin
Oregon
Utah
These are all teams that were either in the playoff (Ohio State) or at some point were seriously in the discussion before either another team on the list eliminated them (Utah, Penn State, Wisconsin, Minnesota) or they eliminated themselves by shitting the bed (Oregon).
None of those teams have a chance when there are 2 slots available. The polls would not have put undefeated, defending national champion Clemson at #3 in a world where 2 spots were available. And as we saw, LSU jumped Ohio State in the final analysis. Very likely that without the playoff, an undefeated non-Southern team is shut out of the title picture; and certainly a half-dozen non-Southern contenders don’t get their shot.
You are correct that CFB has been trending very regionally over the last few years. The South has a recruiting edge that will likely never be topped short of widespread institutional collapse that forces local recruits to look elsewhere. But that edge alone obviously wasn’t enough to make the South dominate the CFB world in the early and mid aughts, after demographic shifts had given the South its fertile recruiting grounds; elite programs across the country could contend by building off power bases in the Midwest, Texas, and California.
I would love to see USC become prominent again. I think that would help greatly. I think even Miami would help, despite it being the most southerly big city in the country, since it’s not really regarded as “Southern” but as its own entity. But really I’d like to see USC become prominent again, and I’d like to see the Big Ten get one.
The problem with your analysis is that the playoff makes that far more likely than the BCS would.
Right now the SEC champion and Clemson are hogging 2 spots every year. Under the BCS you only have two spots. Those spots will be disproportionately taken every year by those two teams, and regional interest outside the South will fade.
But because of the playoff, the following teams outside the South either made the playoff or had a shot (generously calling Oklahoma Southern, even though it’s not, because most non-Southern people would regard it as such):
Ohio State
Minnesota
Penn State
Wisconsin
Oregon
Utah
These are all teams that were either in the playoff (Ohio State) or at some point were seriously in the discussion before either another team on the list eliminated them (Utah, Penn State, Wisconsin, Minnesota) or they eliminated themselves by shitting the bed (Oregon).
None of those teams have a chance when there are 2 slots available. The polls would not have put undefeated, defending national champion Clemson at #3 in a world where 2 spots were available. And as we saw, LSU jumped Ohio State in the final analysis. Very likely that without the playoff, an undefeated non-Southern team is shut out of the title picture; and certainly a half-dozen non-Southern contenders don’t get their shot.
You are correct that CFB has been trending very regionally over the last few years. The South has a recruiting edge that will likely never be topped short of widespread institutional collapse that forces local recruits to look elsewhere. But that edge alone obviously wasn’t enough to make the South dominate the CFB world in the early and mid aughts, after demographic shifts had given the South its fertile recruiting grounds; elite programs across the country could contend by building off power bases in the Midwest, Texas, and California.
I would love to see USC become prominent again. I think that would help greatly. I think even Miami would help, despite it being the most southerly big city in the country, since it’s not really regarded as “Southern” but as its own entity. But really I’d like to see USC become prominent again, and I’d like to see the Big Ten get one.
The problem with your analysis is that the playoff makes that far more likely than the BCS would.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:04 pm to TailbackU
Southern football has dominated for a while now.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:08 pm to TailbackU
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The sport was unique among sport with the bowl and the polls
I loved the polls and bowls as "unfair" as it was. The regular season was so intense and New Year's day was incredible. Now they want to expand the playoffs the eve further water it down.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:09 pm to TailbackU
So you want to go back to a system that lets the media pick a champion?
And let's Bama claim national championships every other year?
And let's Bama claim national championships every other year?
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:12 pm to pvilleguru
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The playoffs have done none of that.
Yep. The OP identified a valid problem, but not the cause. No reason why the playoff would cause the Pac 12/Big XII to suck.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:12 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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The real issue that most folks like you are forgetting is that GT did everything possible to get a shot at Colorado and then that would have given the fans #1 in the AP Poll vs #1 in the then UPI-Coaches Poll What fvcked everything up was the azzhole Bowl Chairman from the fvcking Orange Bowl guaranteeing ND the Orange Bowl slot 3 days after Halloween and screwed the CFB Fans out of a #1 vs #1 Orange Bowl- GT vs Colorado ,for the sole Nat'l Champion
What in the world are you talking about?
The Big 8 champion (Colorado) was contractually obligated to go to the Orange Bowl and the ACC champ (Georgia Tech) was contractually obligated to go to the Citrus Bowl.
How old are you?
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:16 pm to TailbackU
Regional bias and the human element needs to be taken out of the equation all together so I’ll take the computer system back but keep the four team playoff.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:16 pm to TailbackU
People just have short memories.
Not long ago, USC looked like an unstoppable force and Oregon was boat racing people.
Texas was an injury away from being in the game with Bama.
Clemson was a laughing stock 6-7 years ago.
LSU was an afterthought last year.
Florida St steamrolled everyone just a few years ago.
Ohio St, Wisconsin, Penn St and Michigan all garner National attention.
You’re being a prisoner of the moment.
Not long ago, USC looked like an unstoppable force and Oregon was boat racing people.
Texas was an injury away from being in the game with Bama.
Clemson was a laughing stock 6-7 years ago.
LSU was an afterthought last year.
Florida St steamrolled everyone just a few years ago.
Ohio St, Wisconsin, Penn St and Michigan all garner National attention.
You’re being a prisoner of the moment.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:17 pm to texashorn
The real problem is the West Coast. Sure, they complain in Texas and the Midwest, but they still love CFB. It's central to their cultural identities, in fact. Not so on the West Coast.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:21 pm to Xenophon
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You’re being a prisoner of the moment.
Southern teams have won 12 of the last 13. That's a long "moment."
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:25 pm to TailbackU
Ohio State - Clemson went down to the wire. Buckeyes could have easily won that game with a play or two going their way.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:31 pm to TailbackU
Rest of the country needs to watch Friday Night Lights and get their HS programs up to par with the south. Universities can be proactive by having coaching camps. Etc
Posted on 12/29/19 at 4:36 pm to tigerfan4120
I wish USC would quit dilly dallying and offer Urban Meyer 10 mil a year and whatever he wants. I hate him, but the Sum Bitch can build a program and win BIG.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 5:08 pm to TailbackU
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The same teams, give or take one, will be in it next year and the next and the next because the talent will continue to gravitate to those teams.
I don't disagree with anything you said but do you offer a solution to the 'problem?'
Do you not think that a playoff was needed? Some type of playoff was definitely needed, IMO. I think the only debate to be had is the # of teams. Personally, while I'd like to see more teams in the fold, I don't think the playoff should be extended from 2 games, so 4 teams is the only mathematically possible number that works. After a grueling season, it's not realistic to expect these guys to have to play 4 playoff games to win it all.
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