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re: Modern College National Champion vs. Past Super Bowl Champions
Posted on 10/22/19 at 7:03 pm to Frankenstein Vol
Posted on 10/22/19 at 7:03 pm to Frankenstein Vol
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Let’s see them tackle someone like Earl Campbell.
Running back is the only position in football that isnt' significantly better in today's game than it was in the past.
That being said, 5'11 230 and slow (for today's game) look a lot different vs 240-260lb linemen than it would vs someone like a 6'4 342lb Dexter Lawrence.
Earl Campbell would not have holes to run through and he would not be pushing guys around like he did back then.
This is just math.
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 7:04 pm to TwoTimeTiger
the technique of a seasoned veteran would outweight the physical advantage for all but the most polished college player. I think an all-SEC team would be favored against a decent amount of those pre-1980s champions if given a couple of months to gel as a team. They'd also need the best of the best from around the conference coaching them.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 7:21 pm to phunkatron
A 260 270 pound man trying to block someone weighing 320 that is physically stronger and faster is going to be in BIG trouble, play after play.
Even a Butkus at 250 taking on a 330 pound guard is going to have problems. Bama's guards this year weigh 340 and 360.
The Steelers in 75..Joe Greene 275 Ernie Holmes 260..LC Greenwood 245 Dwight White 255 Jack Ham 225 Jack Lambert 220 Andy Russell 225
Alabama 2019..Alex Leatherwood 310 Evan Neal 360 Jedrick Wills 320 Landon Dickerson 310 Deonte Brown 340 Chris Owens 315 (Run TE)..quite a difference
Even a Butkus at 250 taking on a 330 pound guard is going to have problems. Bama's guards this year weigh 340 and 360.
The Steelers in 75..Joe Greene 275 Ernie Holmes 260..LC Greenwood 245 Dwight White 255 Jack Ham 225 Jack Lambert 220 Andy Russell 225
Alabama 2019..Alex Leatherwood 310 Evan Neal 360 Jedrick Wills 320 Landon Dickerson 310 Deonte Brown 340 Chris Owens 315 (Run TE)..quite a difference
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 7:43 pm to antibarner
yeah but how often do smaller guys like Miller and Mack dominate guys who weight 50-100 pounds more than them?
Sure they're freak athletes, but so are a bunch of other marginally effective pass rushers.
Technique matters.
Sure they're freak athletes, but so are a bunch of other marginally effective pass rushers.
Technique matters.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 7:59 pm to phunkatron
If your looking for the transition point size wise in the NFL to a modern NCAA size, I think you have to consider the 1988 Washington Redskins as maybe the first OL that resembles the size we see now regularly. At the time, their 4 offensive linemen around 300lbs was dramatically bigger then the norm.
I think Clemson and Alabama would probably be an even match for that team, which had a lot of HOF players on.
I think Clemson and Alabama would probably be an even match for that team, which had a lot of HOF players on.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:22 pm to TwoTimeTiger
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The DL for the 72 dolphins averaged 250 pounds and they had a white CB
so fricking racist
"Their math Olympiad squad has a black guy on it. How could they compete?"
What's the difference?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:45 pm to antibarner
Nice comparison. Now do Derrick Thomas.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:12 pm to phunkatron
Yeah but who in the 72 dolphins was the freak that Vonn Miller and Khalil Mack are?
And on the other side of the ball, how the frick is a 250 Center gonna stop a 300 lb DL who moves just as well as they did in the 70s?
And on the other side of the ball, how the frick is a 250 Center gonna stop a 300 lb DL who moves just as well as they did in the 70s?
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:17 pm to Globetrotter747
The ol’ players are so much bigger and faster nowadays the old greats couldn’t compete myth.
It’s still college vs. pro. College teams are sloppy and the light hasn’t turned on yet for half the players.
It’s still college vs. pro. College teams are sloppy and the light hasn’t turned on yet for half the players.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:19 pm to gthog61
You see many white CBs in the NFL today?
As a former white CB it’s pretty easy to we top out in middle school/high school if there aren’t a lot of black players.
As a former white CB it’s pretty easy to we top out in middle school/high school if there aren’t a lot of black players.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:22 pm to TwoTimeTiger
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And on the other side of the ball, how the frick is a 250 Center gonna stop a 300 lb DL who moves just as well as they did in the 70s?
Have you watched Navy at all in the last 20 years run the ball against 300 lbers? Jim Langer, Larry Little, Bob Kuechenberg, Norm Evans and Wayne Moore (the best OLine in NFL history) would do something these DLineman today rarely see: drive out low and use leverage. Not sit back on their heels in a 2-point stance and lean and grab like these zone-blocking teams do.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:23 pm to SoFla Tideroller
How often does Navy win against Good P5 teams?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:24 pm to TwoTimeTiger
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Yeah but who in the 72 dolphins was the freak that Vonn Miller and Khalil Mack are?
And on the other side of the ball, how the frick is a 250 Center gonna stop a 300 lb DL who moves just as well as they did in the 70s?
They'll respond with being tough, stupid, mean, and brutal players that had a harder mentality than players today.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:25 pm to TwoTimeTiger
Speed rushers are a unique position, they exist and thrive today. But somebody is going to have to put a hat on a hat some time. The way they would deal with Thomas is run at him and RPO.
Thomas was more modern era too, lest you forget. He was drafted in 89 and played 11 years
Thomas was more modern era too, lest you forget. He was drafted in 89 and played 11 years
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:33 pm to CtrlAltDel
They’ll respond by getting those shite pushed in.
There is a reason there are no “mean” 250 OL in today’s game
There is a reason there are no “mean” 250 OL in today’s game
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:37 pm to TwoTimeTiger
Does Navy have Paul Warfield at WR? Bob Griese at QB? Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris at RB?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:42 pm to TwoTimeTiger
Dick Butkus was an exceptional. physical freak of a linebacker who defined the position in his day and intimidated the entire league. He played at somewhere around 245, and would be an outstanding player in todays game.
But would he be the presence that he was back then? No. He was as big as a lot of OLinemen he faced,and he would not intimidate the monster OLinemen of today. The style he played with then would get him flagged today, he would have to adjust.
But would he be the presence that he was back then? No. He was as big as a lot of OLinemen he faced,and he would not intimidate the monster OLinemen of today. The style he played with then would get him flagged today, he would have to adjust.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:00 pm to DeafJam73
We did this while back and I looked up height, weight, and combine times for 2017 vs 30 years ago. You had some 250 lb. OLs that were slow as frick by today's standards. They'd get absolutely mauled by some of today's SEC DLs that are 320 lbs and quick. You can argue toughness all you want, but it won't overcome physics. A 320 lb man running 15 mph will destroy a 250 lb man running 12 mph every time. So, my guess is somewhere between 25 and 30 years.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:10 pm to DeafJam73
Jack Youngblood's hand shake made my hand hurt for a month.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:41 pm to Gatorbait2008
Mean Joe Greene taking on Alabama's Deonte Brown would win some battles because of experience and quickness, but if he tried to bull rush him he'd get mashed.
Joe at 275 ain't running over a 340 LB SEC lineman with a mean streak. If Evan Neal fell on him it would be over at 6 ft 7 360 Ernie Holmes would be giving up 100 lbs to Neal
Joe at 275 ain't running over a 340 LB SEC lineman with a mean streak. If Evan Neal fell on him it would be over at 6 ft 7 360 Ernie Holmes would be giving up 100 lbs to Neal
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 11:47 pm
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