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Why did Saban not have the same type success at LSU?

Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:52 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:52 pm
Take out his first season at both LSU and Alabama since he was essentially rebuilding at both programs.... then take a look at Seasons 2, 3, 4, and 5 at both Bama and LSU:

Overall Record:
at LSU (2001-2004): 40-12 (76.9%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 49-6 (90.7%)

SEC Record (Regular Season):
at LSU (2001-2004): 23-9 (71.9%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 28-4 (87.5%)

Record vs. Top 25 Opponents (Final AP Rankings):
at LSU (2001-2004): 6-10 (37.5%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 12-6 (66.6%)

Record vs. Opponents that finished #3-#25 in the AP:
at LSU (2001-2004): 6-9 (40.0%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 10-2 (83.3%)

Losses to Unranked Teams (Final AP Rankings):
at LSU (2001-2004): 2
at Bama (2008-2011): zero


So what is the reasoning behind the great disparity? If Saban had been able to achieve the same level of dominance at LSU during five seasons there, I doubt he ever would have left for the NFL. Sure he had success in Baton Rouge, but it was nothing close to the level of success he's had at Alabama.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted by TU Rob
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:53 pm to
Dodge Chargers
Posted by The muffintime
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to
No Purple Elephant Club
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to
Probably gained experience and insight over the years. He seems like the type who keeps learning, doesn't allow himself to become stagnant.
Posted by Sid E Walker
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to
5 pages.

In on page one.

Posted by mountain D values
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to
Probably because Alabama is a better job than LSU
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:55 pm to
I would say perception. He was not established as a big time coach when he got to LSU. He had name recognition when he took the job at Bama.
Posted by JustGetItRight
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:56 pm to
quote:


Why did Saban not have the same type success at LSU?



Because nobody ever gets better with experience, right?
Posted by Mahootney
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:57 pm to
He hadn't established himself as a NC coach yet, and the talent he assembled won the 2007 championship and should have won the 2006 championship.

If he had stayed, he probably would have had the same success. And that fact is why it bothers LSU fans so much. They realize what could have been.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:58 pm to
9.5/10
Posted by Hussss
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:59 pm to
I truly believe he would have, had he been there 10 years or more. He was definitely on track there and I don't think he ever would have left for another college job. Bama got lucky getting him. Let's not kid ourselves.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Darth Wade
Member since Sep 2017
72 posts
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:00 pm to
If Saban would've stayed longer his reign at LSU would've been very similar to his at Alabama. He most likely would've won back to back titles in 2006 & 2007. Hell, LSU was loaded in 2005 and he probably could've won at least an SEC title with that team.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:00 pm to
LSU just isn't hard wired to win championships like Alabama is. But neither are the other programs in this conference. You'll see occasional success from the other so-called "Big Six" schools but none can sustain like Alabama can.
Posted by Fleurs
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2016
1170 posts
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:00 pm to
He's just a lot happier in Tuscaloosa than he ever was there. He likes us more. His heart is in it this time.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:02 pm to
Because that jockey is riding a faster horse now, right?
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68684 posts
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:05 pm to
1 thing that can skew that overall record a little is the extra cupcake game from 2008-2011 vs. 2001-2004. Didn't go to 4 OOC games till 2005-6 ish IIRC?

One thing that did drastically derail 1 season at LSU was losing Matt Mauck in the 2002 season to injury. We went 3-4 without Mauck replaced by Jordan Jefferson jr. (Marcus Randall). That was a huge blow to that season.

That 2002 season could have ended much differently if he never got hurt.
Posted by TigerMeister
North shore
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:10 pm to
Well for one, while his talent at LSU was good, it wasn't on the level that he's had at Alabama. And let's not act as if ESPN and the rest of the media sucking him off the second he stepped foot on that campus didn't have anything to do with that. Do you really think if the roles were reversed that LSU wouldn't be doing what Bama is doing now?
Posted by MullenBoys
In the minds of Ole Miss fans
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:14 pm to
He used LSU to get name recognition. Then went to Alabama to refine his coaching abilities while waiting on the Miss State job - the one he always wanted. Don't get me wrong, Alabama is a good gig but Msu is where his heart is. We are all very excited for the breaking news at seasons end.
Posted by bengalfan50
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
2468 posts
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:33 pm to
You have never heard of the Red Elephant Club. But if you mix the ultimate perfectionist and the one group that can literally get anything done. You get Bamas success. Saban says it and poof it happens no limits. They have the baby bear Bank and can back channel deals so deep the NCAA can’t even sniff em. They will not be out worked by the rule book cuz they know it’s for everyone but them.

Posted by Tammany Tom
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:35 pm to
Without reading all the other responses.

Saban won a SEC Title in his 2nd year at both places.

In Saban's 3rd year at LSU: 2002. Matt Mauck broke his leg in the 4th quarter in a game where LSU was up 31-7 (or something like that) against Florida. That broken leg combined with losing our QB on Defense for the season a game later destroyed the 2002 season. LSU simply did not have an effective back-up QB to come in and execute the way Mauck could.

Saban won a National Title in his 3rd season at Bama and in his 4th season at LSU. See 3rd season at LSU above.

In Saban's 5th season at LSU, he was pretty pre-occupied with going to the NFL. He started flirting with the NFL in 2002 and by the 2004 season, he was pretty hell bent on going. Saban always had a major itch to coach at the highest level and he got his chance at the end of the 2004 season. No way LSU loses to Iowa in that bowl game if Saban hadn't checked out mentally after signing with the Dolphins.

Go look at LSU's signing classes under Saban in 2001-2004. They are freaking Great. He set up Miles perfectly. Had Saban stayed on at LSU, there is no doubt in my mind that LSU wins a National Title 2 out of the next 3 years.

Saban had already scratched his NFL itch by the time he signed on with Bama. Bama gave him ultimate control of the entire program. He earned that control through his success at LSU.

Saban learned a lot in his time at LSU and with the Dolphins. Believe it or not, but people actually do get better with age and experience. A lot of young people don't quite understand that concept.

Saban and Bama during this run have been the perfect marriage. Nothing more to add here. Bama is a great, great job and Saban is the best coach in the history of College football. The results speak for themselves.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 4:36 pm
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