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The current crop of SEC head coaches is atrocious
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:48 pm
When was the last time it was this bad?
The obvious Saban aside, who the hell out there inspires confidence and optimism?
I think Mullen is next here but flies under the radar because he's at a program that struggles to get elite talent.
Freeze has been good but at a hefty price. How he will adjust his recruiting and the effects on his coaching remain to be seen.
Smart at UGA is optimistic but still in the too early to tell stage.
Mac at UF doesn't seem like the guy to me, I think he needs to recruit better.
Sumlin, Malzahn, Butch, Bret - I think we have enough data on them to conclude that while some might be decent to good coachs, they aren't anything to get super excited about.
Orgeron is a DL coach who no one else wanted. Some LSU fans feel optimistic but they're lying to themselves or completely biased to classify him as a good coach right now. Best case is he ends up as a success story who coaches who failed miserably and recovered nicely. Hopefully but yet to be seen.
Muschamp would be in the same boat as O, another coach who has already failed in the league.
The obvious Saban aside, who the hell out there inspires confidence and optimism?
I think Mullen is next here but flies under the radar because he's at a program that struggles to get elite talent.
Freeze has been good but at a hefty price. How he will adjust his recruiting and the effects on his coaching remain to be seen.
Smart at UGA is optimistic but still in the too early to tell stage.
Mac at UF doesn't seem like the guy to me, I think he needs to recruit better.
Sumlin, Malzahn, Butch, Bret - I think we have enough data on them to conclude that while some might be decent to good coachs, they aren't anything to get super excited about.
Orgeron is a DL coach who no one else wanted. Some LSU fans feel optimistic but they're lying to themselves or completely biased to classify him as a good coach right now. Best case is he ends up as a success story who coaches who failed miserably and recovered nicely. Hopefully but yet to be seen.
Muschamp would be in the same boat as O, another coach who has already failed in the league.
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:50 pm to Tigerfan56
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Malzahn
quote:I was pretty excited when we had a good QB and won the SEC, and I'm pretty excited about the future now that we have three good QBs on roster
they aren't anything to get super excited about.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:51 pm to Tigerfan56
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Sumlin, Malzahn, Butch, Bret
One of these is not like the other.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:51 pm to Tigerfan56
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Sumlin, Malzahn, Butch, Bret - I think we have enough data on them to conclude that while some might be decent to good coachs, they aren't anything to get super excited about.
Malzahn was an incredible OC
Bielema was a great DC
Butch Jones was a decent OC
Kevin Sumlin was an offensive coordinator for a grand total of 8 games (in which he called plays). He somehow conned his way into a CO-OC without playcalling duties and 2 head coaching jobs.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:53 pm to Tigerfan56
1. Saban
2. Malzahn
3 and below: the poors can fight for the remainder of spots.
2. Malzahn
3 and below: the poors can fight for the remainder of spots.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:55 pm to Tigerfan56
It's probably that there really aren't a lot of great coaches available at a given moment, but don't kid yourself by thinking the calculus doesn't include the guaranteed income they have from the SEC network.
There is virtually no incentive to rock the boat and pony up for a splash hire. They would never say this publicly, but ADs are probably perfectly fine with 8-4 type seasons so long as enough fan excitement exists to get people to renew season tickets.
There is virtually no incentive to rock the boat and pony up for a splash hire. They would never say this publicly, but ADs are probably perfectly fine with 8-4 type seasons so long as enough fan excitement exists to get people to renew season tickets.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:56 pm to Tigerfan56
It will definitely be interesting to see if the SEC will still be considered the best conference 5-10 years from now. An objectionable person would not be too optimistic about that.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:57 pm to Tigerfan56
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Tigerfan56
damn, it's hard to argue with any of this
the only thing I disagree with (but just slightly) is Muschamp - I think he got a raw deal at UF
But at best, he is in the same boat as Mullens, decent coach at a school that is hard to recruit at & it won't get any easier with Clemson clicking like they are right now
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:59 pm to Tigerfan56
Honest personal opinions: Sumlin is biggest fraud, followed closely by Butch Jones. Orgeron not too far behind Jones, and then followed by Malzhan as most over rated. All the other coaches with exception of Mullen are middling imo. Agree that Mullen is most legit, great job at MSU considering, and will one day land a prime job.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 5:24 pm to Tigerfan56
I'll withhold judgement on Malzahn till after this year. Yeah, Jeremy Johnson was a flop, but last season would have been two games better had Sean White not been made of glass, so not entirely his fault. I think Auburn will be much improved this season and it appears there is some depth at QB now.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:17 pm to Tigerfan56
For what Mullen has compared to what he has done puts him in the top 3 in this conference at this point in time IMO.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:22 pm to Tigerfan56
Malzahn is better then the other coaches you listed him with. He may have the perfect QB for his system this year so Auburn should be good.
Coach Mac has only had a decent QB for half a season but now being in his 3rd season it's his own fault if he doesn't have a good QB.
Mullen has done good with the talent he has had but he also had a special QB .
Smart has done great recruiting but is still an unknown as a head coach
Coach Mac has only had a decent QB for half a season but now being in his 3rd season it's his own fault if he doesn't have a good QB.
Mullen has done good with the talent he has had but he also had a special QB .
Smart has done great recruiting but is still an unknown as a head coach
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:24 pm to Tigerfan56
It's a disgrace and the exact the reason the SEC is slipping.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:40 pm to Tigerfan56
So who did you think LSU should have hired?? Kliff Kingsbury?
Nutt? Herman was alway going to Austin.
Orgeron has HC experience, plus he has hired a formidable staff with Aranda, Canada, etc.
He has coached SEVEN GAMES.
Nutt? Herman was alway going to Austin.
Orgeron has HC experience, plus he has hired a formidable staff with Aranda, Canada, etc.
He has coached SEVEN GAMES.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:20 pm to Tigerfan56
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he's at a program that struggles to get elite talent.
Haha..like we're the only ones.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:28 pm to Tigerfan56
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Orgeron is a DL coach who no one else wanted. Some LSU fans feel optimistic but they're lying to themselves or completely biased to classify him as a good coach right now. Best case is he ends up as a success story who coaches who failed miserably and recovered nicely. Hopefully but yet to be seen.
Ed Orgeron was on MSU campus I guess 4 or 5 years ago? It's been a while. A lot of MSU fans were hoping Mullen was about to hire him on defense but to this day nobody knows what was going on. Might have been an interview process? I would have nabbed him in a heartbeat. Dude can recruit and knows a thing or two about defenses.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:02 am to Tigerfan56
Bert seemed like a slam dunk hire for Arkansas when we got him. He'd taken Wisconsin to three Rose Bowls and his hard nosed rushing attack philosophy was something the Hogs were comfortable with.
What we didn't know is that he's a lovable lug with an easy going and hands off approach. Something you can get away with in the Big 10 but will get you in trouble in the SEC.
As an example after being massacred by Auburn Bert stirred himself and was very involved in preparing for Florida. We crushed the Gators... and he then went back to his easy going ways with predictable results. If he got in people's business every week like he did then Arkansas would be a dark horse candidate to compete for the West this year instead of hoping to win 7 or more games if things work out.
What we didn't know is that he's a lovable lug with an easy going and hands off approach. Something you can get away with in the Big 10 but will get you in trouble in the SEC.
As an example after being massacred by Auburn Bert stirred himself and was very involved in preparing for Florida. We crushed the Gators... and he then went back to his easy going ways with predictable results. If he got in people's business every week like he did then Arkansas would be a dark horse candidate to compete for the West this year instead of hoping to win 7 or more games if things work out.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:29 am to Tigerfan56
Good discussion here, even on the points I disagree. None of the usual sniping and immature cuts. The kids must be in school today.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 4:27 pm to Tigerfan56
I'd like to see Mullen in charge of an LSU, FSU, Clemson, Alabama, etc
However, I like the fact he has stayed at MsSt and I hope he stays there till he retires.
However, I like the fact he has stayed at MsSt and I hope he stays there till he retires.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 7:37 pm to Tigerfan56
Been saying this for a few years now
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