re: A new HC - what are our expectations?

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We have hired 4 coaches since 1964 so it's hard to say there is any pattern in UGA hiring practices for head football coaches.

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Sure there is. 4 coaches show a pattern. Have we ever gone after an established head coach? It's a simple question? Even when we were looking I don't ever remember us considering a current head coach. I mean, yeah...the fans were calling for established head coaches, but not the powers that make offers.

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Richt was one of the hottest up and coming assistants from what has the model program of the 1990s. He was the Kirby Smart of his era if you will.

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And that gives you a pretty good idea of what we would do this time. Remember, Muschamp was the hottest prospect when Florida got him. We can all speculate that we would like to go after Herman or Fuentes....but more than likely we would go after Kirby Smart, or another hot assistant coach somewhere.
And there are a lot of people out there that seem to be very afraid of Kirby Smart.

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I posted many good examples proving my point of successful recruiting or at least no tangible dropoff AFTER a coaching change. You have posted one, which is apparently an exception to the rule. Uga is the kind of job that will attract great coaching candiates to achieve a strong recruiting class just like those listed above were able to do..

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Actually I posted two...Auburn. But I was at work yesterday and simply did not have time to do a lot of research. And those did not necessarily prove your point. MY point was that we would lose many of our current recruiting class. A class that is expected to finish in the top 5. We don't know how many of your exmples lost major recruits during their change. Like I said...we can go back and forth about this...but truth is we won't know until is happens. What we DO know is Eason (The best recruit in our class and our biggest position need) has said he might leave if Richt is gone. Somebody has already posted an article saying he has opened his recruiting up.

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Sometimes a kid just doesn't develop.

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For sure. The guys the coaches were going after were highly recruited. I'm just surprised it took several years on campus to realize they wouldn't be functional QBs. We don't even have a serviceable QB on the roster, that's bad.

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I'm not quite ready to throw Schotty away, though.

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This is a new level of bad though. And not just in an emotional "this offense is hard to watch" sense. When you start looking at stats, the offense has been historically bad lately. 1 team in the country didn't score a redzone TD in October. We are something like 125th in the country on 3rd and 1-3 yards to go. It goes on and on.

I realize he doesn't have a great QB to work with and the OL is a colossal disappointment, but we aren't talking about an OC that has been known for great coaching suddenly struggling due to personnel issues.

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but, we all have to realize that there may be more going on than we know.

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Oh yea I'm sure that has to be the case.

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The guys the coaches were going after were highly recruited. I'm just surprised it took several years on campus to realize they wouldn't be functional QBs. We don't even have a serviceable QB on the roster, that's bad.

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And you make great points. We, obviously were down in QB numbers coming into this season or we wouldn't have entertained Lambert coming. AND, we have missed on Bauta, Ramsey and Park. I don't really count Lambert as a miss, because we took him as a stop gap measure....but we have had three bad misses in the other three and that's not very good.

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This is a new level of bad though. And not just in an emotional "this offense is hard to watch" sense. When you start looking at stats, the offense has been historically bad lately. 1 team in the country didn't score a redzone TD in October. We are something like 125th in the country on 3rd and 1-3 yards to go. It goes on and on.

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Don't get me wrong, I agree 100%. I'd like to think there are extenuating circumstances, but I am just scared to think a former NFL OC is that bad.

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Yea, in retrospect the pursuit of Golson should've been much much more concerning than it was.

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It was a definite red flag for us. I was actually happy we didn't get Golson. Now, I am wondering how different things would have been if we HAD gotten him.
If the turmoil among the coaches is as bad as reported then things would have probably been the same.

Well....almost time for the game, and I like to watch it with my undivided attention. I'll check in later and if there is more to talk about we can pick it up from there.

Richt 2001-2005 That was one of the phenomenal runs in recent memory.

Since then though: There are a dozen different facts that I could point to and show that Richt is not the same successful coach he was when he first arrived on campus, but just look at this one. Including today's win against Kentucky, Richt has won 90 of his last 128 games (2006 - current). Apply Jim Donnan's win rate in his 5 years at Georgia over the same 10 years worth of games and he would be just 3 wins behind Richt. Was Donnan just on the cusp of being acceptable as the head man in the late 90's or are we still putting weight into things that happened when current UGA freshmen were in 2nd grade and younger?

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Jim Donnan's win rate in his 5 years at Georgia over the same 10 years worth of games and he would be just 3 wins behind Richt.

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But Donnan was losing regularly to Tech, among others.

The USCe example matters because Georgia, by simple virtue of its traditional and geographical advantages, will recruit well. We both acknowledge that the team will lose some recruits with a coaching change, but that will only be for 1 year if we get the new hire right and it's still unlikely to be a talentless class.

Since 2008 Georgia has only won about 30% of their games against SEC opponents with a winning conference record. Over the same stretch they are a combined 11-24 against teams that finished the season ranked (includes Alabama and Florida this year). That is an atrocious record for a team that never had a recruiting class that fell outside of the top 12 during that stretch (24/7 sports). In terms of average recruit rankings, they are 2nd in the SEC only behind Alabama during that stretch too. So it 'really' doesn't matter to me if we risk a top 5 class this year.

Why does Tennessee matter? For every example of Tennessee or Nebraska there is an example of Alabama, Florida (urban meyer florida), Southern Cal, or Notre Dame. I'm not scared of the next coach coming in and going 6-6 because it's no different than an inflated 10 win season where you beat a bunch of OOC cupcakes and a weak SEC east...even with the inflated wins I know every season there will be at least one game where my team is run out of the building and, based on the last 8 years of data, they will only win 35% of their games against any ranked opponent. Fear of the unknown is understandable, but there is also a chance that the next coach is one of the many examples who takes a coach to the next level.

Yes Donnan was only went 2-3 against Tech. Tech was actually good in the 90's though. Whereas Mark Richt faced the #24 (final AP rankings) Tech in his first year (2001) and did not see another ranked tech opponent until 2008 (a georgia loss). In fact, over the course of his 15 year career at Georgia, Richt is just 2-3 against ranked Tech opponents (Donnan was 1-3).

We don't have an offensive line that can go toe to toe with Alabama's defensive front, let alone regularly beat them. Of course, few teams in college football do at this time. That's what happens when you have virtually all 5* recruits two and three deep on the defensive line.

As opposed to our offensive line, which does have a single 5* guy (not playing as such) and mostly 3* types we try to develop.