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re: A new HC - what are our expectations?

Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:30 pm to
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There could be some play in Donnan's stats


Thats the freakin understatement of the year.5 of the ranked teams that Donnan beat finished #25,#25,#25, #22 and #24 and beat ONE team ranked in the top 12 in his 5 years at Ga.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:33 pm to
What is the reason?
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:46 pm to
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What is the reason?


Seriously?

I would think that it's self evident as to why UGA doesn't use those teams (historically) as measuring sticks for their success.

But, from his post:

quote:

This is the University of Georgia. #11 in all time college football wins, 2 Heisman trophy winners, multiple national championships (outside of the AP poll), and a program that had the 4th most players in the NFL of any college on week 1 this year. This is a program that has averaged the #8 recruiting class in the nation since 2008 (24/7 sports).
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:54 pm to
Who do we compare ourselves to then?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:07 pm to
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FIVE were vs teams ranked #22,#25,#25,#25 and #24. Beat a grand total of ONE team ranked in the top 12 (UF in '97)

Donnan was a joke and those numbers prove it.


Overall:

Donnan 40-19 (67%)
Richt 46-21 (68%)

Vs year end top 10:

Donnan 1-8 (11%)
Richt 2-11 (15%)

Vs year end ranked:

8-14 (36%) Donnan (6 vs #20-25)
9-17 (34%) Richt (4 vs #20-25)

Vs year end unranked:

Donnan 32-5 (86%)
Richt 37-4 (90%)

Since you consider Donnan a joke, how do you describe Richt and his very similar numbers?
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:25 pm to
Records vs
UF
UT
AuB
GT
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32974 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:32 pm to
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Records vs
UF
UT
AuB
GT


Thats a big difference, but hardly a fair comparison considering how good UF, UT, and GTU (+ Al Ford in 1999) were during the Donnan era.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:38 pm to
Perhaps, but that is also a big reason why Richt is still here.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:48 pm to
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Who do we compare ourselves to then?


Those teams that it would be desirable to emulate/surpass.

This is all elementary, Watson. But I'll play along.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32974 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:02 am to
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Perhaps, but that is also a big reason why Richt is still here.


That is totally true. No doubt he loses his job if we dont barely hang on to beat GTU in both 2009 and 2010.
Posted by Dawgs28
Member since Oct 2015
101 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:10 pm to
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Who the frick are you?


lol just joined. I used to post in the ESPN Georgia forums back when those were still a thing (can't remember my alias from then). Back then I would post that "well if we can just replace Willie Martinez then Richt will be fine". Eventually though I had to go back to the common denominator.


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Thats the freakin understatement of the year.5 of the ranked teams that Donnan beat finished #25,#25,#25, #22 and #24 and beat ONE team ranked in the top 12 in his 5 years at Ga


Interesting. Let me throw out 2015, just to eliminate any excuses.

Richt has Three wins against top 12 opponents over his last eight full seasons (2007-2014). I guess your argument is that 3 is thrice as much as 1?

If you want to say Richt post 2007 has been better than Donnan then fine. There are even some numbers to back that up, and so technically you are right. (after all 3 > 2). Please answer this though.

In your opinion, how far away was Donnan?

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Records vs
UF
UT
AuB
GT


A little context helps.

Florida's low ranking in the Donnan era was #12 in the country. Since 2008 Florida has had 4 seasons where they did not even finish ranked (what is Richt's record against good Florida teams again?)

Tennessee was a top 9 team in each of Donnan's first 4 years at Georgia. His 5th year UT was unranked and Georgia won.
2007 was the last time that Tennessee finished a season ranked. Since 2006 Georgia has faced 2 UT teams which finished the season ranked (does not include 2015). Georgia lost both of those games, and assuming that Tennessee does not sneak into the top 25 at year's end, Georgia will only be 5-3 against unranked UT opponents over the last decade.

In 15 seasons Mark Richt has faced as many Georgia Tech teams which finished in the top 25 of the AP poll as Jim Donnan did in 5 years. Richt has a losing record in those games.

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Perhaps, but that is also a big reason why Richt is still here.


I actually think you nailed it here. Despite context a win over a rival is still a win. Plus, even against mediocre competition 9 and 10 wins most years is not an easy thing to do, and Georgia has had a habit of rolling those wins off at the end of the year. The simple timing of how certain games fall on their schedule have made the season's much less hearbreaking.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 8:29 pm
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