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re: Game Thread: UGA - 31 vs. TENN - 35 || FINAL
Posted by Dawgs28 on 10/1/16 at 6:45 pm
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We ran out of it pretty well all day. Did you even watch the game? We didn't have Nick Chubb and we still ran the ball successfully.
I question if you watched even a second of it after that comment. We consistently ran the ball well from the shotgun, pistol, and under center with at least 2 receivers wide. We ran out of that jumbo set maybe 5 times all game and I think the big gain was 3 or 4 yards. Compare that to how well we ran when the defense couldn't stack the box.
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re: Game Thread: UGA - 31 vs. TENN - 35 || FINAL
Posted by Dawgs28 on 10/1/16 at 6:41 pm
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There wasn't a damn thing wrong with Kirby or Chaney. The fumble in the endzone was the result of a true freshman and a line getting blown up.
A play that was set up because we were 2nd & 11 after trying for the umpteenth time this season to run out of a formation that we don't have the personnel to run out of and haven't seen success out of in 5 games now.
2nd & 11 with this offensive line backed up against the endzone is not a recipe for success. Why call a play that hasn't work in 5 games? All of the success we saw running today came when the defense was spread out.
re: Game Thread: UGA - 31 vs. TENN - 35 || FINAL
Posted by Dawgs28 on 10/1/16 at 6:35 pm
This was the most infuriated I've been in a Georgia game in a long time.
1 - the officiating crew/replay crew should both be suspended after the non-replay on the catch.
2 - Not happy at all with our OC/Kirby. One or both of them seem to think that if the jumbo set will eventually work with these personnel...even when it hasn't work at all through 5 games. I blame the 1st down playcalling when we were backed up on the endzone as much as anyone for the fumble/TD.
1 - the officiating crew/replay crew should both be suspended after the non-replay on the catch.
2 - Not happy at all with our OC/Kirby. One or both of them seem to think that if the jumbo set will eventually work with these personnel...even when it hasn't work at all through 5 games. I blame the 1st down playcalling when we were backed up on the endzone as much as anyone for the fumble/TD.
re: Kirby Smart does not have to coach this year
Posted by Dawgs28 on 9/26/16 at 1:51 pm
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You don't believe our talent is 2 points better than Nicholls? Nicholls is 1-2 this year. they were 3-9 last year. They were 0-12 the year before that. Theyw ere 4-8 the year before that. if Nicholls has a 2 point margin of talent with us, we are in trouble.
I do believe that our talent is better, but I guess I would go back to the 2007 Alabama comparison. In 2006 Alabama was a 6 win SEC school, and in 2007 Nick Saban starts at Alabama in his first year and loses to a 6-6 UL Monroe team. Shouldn't a 6-6 Alabama team from the year before have had enough talent to beat a 6-6 team from the Sun Belt? Maybe that was a lack of preparation too...
Kirby is not above reproach, and probably deserves some of the blame. I don't think there is really a double standard going on here though, and it's impossible to gauge if a team is being prepared properly just a few games into a coaching season/career.
re: Kirby Smart does not have to coach this year
Posted by Dawgs28 on 9/26/16 at 12:43 pm
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Didn't watch the game. Talking about UGA football.
The point was that a blowout against a team which appears to have more talent doesn't necessarily mean "lack of preparation" from the coaching staff. It most definitely could be the reason, but it may also just be that the other team was better. Saying that a team isn't prepared is kind of the vogue thing for people to say when there is a blowout or the team performs less than expectations. What expectations should there be though? First year head coach, this is the same team that struggled with an identity on offense last year, playing with a true freshmen QB, and we don't even have the 1 legitimate receiver from last year's team to threaten teams outside consistently.
@dawgslife
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Dude. Go back and see what Alabama's record was the year before Saban go there and look at what it was his first year. Don't just look at a small piece of the puzzle. Look at the whole puzzle!
But your point was that Georgia's talent should be able to overcome Nichols St more than it did. Saban took over an Alabama team that was in shambles relative to what that program expects to be sure. However, that was still a middle of the road SEC school that won 6 games the prior year which lost to Louisiana Monroe in Saban's first year (UL Monroe was 6-6 that season).
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Yes it is.....which is why I was amazed when so many on here jumped up and down about Richt's teams being prepared against Alabama last year. The same Alabama team that has won the last 4 of 7 National Championships. (Or something like that)
It's a quantity thing. Right now Smart has the benefit of the doubt because he's 4 games into his coaching career at Georgia. To many, Richt lost the benefit of the doubt after multiple seasons of the above happening, and Smart will lose that benefit if things do not improve. I guess in a way it is a "double standard" in that the expectation has changed, but I really just call that layering in a level of unbiased realism into the standards. You shouldn't have the same expectations in year 1 of a regime that you do in years 8-15.
re: Mark Richt would never let this happen
Posted by Dawgs28 on 9/26/16 at 12:05 pm
Yeah Floyd wasn't a dominant force in his final season, but he did show something. He also was pretty impressive in both his fresh and sophomore years whereas Carter completely disappeared in his 2nd. He still has time to turn things around though. We definitely need him to step up this year.
But you're right. A strong combine showing can do wonders with his measurables considering he has shown what he can do in at least one season.
But you're right. A strong combine showing can do wonders with his measurables considering he has shown what he can do in at least one season.
re: Mark Richt would never let this happen
Posted by Dawgs28 on 9/26/16 at 10:45 am
Good call on Pyke. I didn't think about him.
I think that Wynn could go either way at this point. I think he was better against Ole Miss, but against NC and Nicholls St it seemed like he was getting called for holding or watching the back of d-lineman's jerseys as they rush by him to the backfield every other play. But he could be suffering from an overall lack of offensive line play too making his individual performances take a hit.
I wish I had your confidence in Carter. I know what he was supposed to be, but I would be surprised if he has more than 5 sacks in his entire collegiate career and we are 4 games into his Junior season (just checked and according to ESPN he has 4.5, all in his freshmen season)
I think that Wynn could go either way at this point. I think he was better against Ole Miss, but against NC and Nicholls St it seemed like he was getting called for holding or watching the back of d-lineman's jerseys as they rush by him to the backfield every other play. But he could be suffering from an overall lack of offensive line play too making his individual performances take a hit.
I wish I had your confidence in Carter. I know what he was supposed to be, but I would be surprised if he has more than 5 sacks in his entire collegiate career and we are 4 games into his Junior season (just checked and according to ESPN he has 4.5, all in his freshmen season)
re: Kirby Smart does not have to coach this year
Posted by Dawgs28 on 9/26/16 at 10:26 am
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So, just to be clear.... It is the fault of the older players for not motivating the team... Not the coaching staff. We are blaming 21 year olds getting free college, not 40 year olds making millions for not doing one of the core jobs of a coach. Jesus fricking Christ, do you people hear yourselves ?
Do you blame the coaching staff at Tulsa for losing 48-3 at OSU this past weekend? If not then you may want to get your hearing checked.
re: Mark Richt would never let this happen
Posted by Dawgs28 on 9/26/16 at 10:14 am
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We beat a top ten team on the road and only lost one game the next year my. Can kirby do that
Just so that there isn't any confusion. This isn't an anti-Richt post, and I'm not taking anything away from his early run of fantastic success. He deserves a ton of credit for what Georgia accomplished during the early 2000's.
Let's not pretend that this is apples to apples though. How many NFL players do you see on this year's Georgia team, specifically those at the junior and senior levels? Chubb is obviously a first round talent, but who else? Michel and Sanders both have a shot at being early round picks, but I'm struggling to think of anyone else who may qualify. Maybe Smith? I'm sure Mckenzie will be drafted, but he drops too many passes to be a very high pick.
Lets compare that with what Richt had in his first season 8-4). Richt's 8-4 team in 2001 team had 8 upper classmen who were drafted to the NFL the next year. His 2002 team that went 13-1 (and consequently were also there for the first 8-4 season the year prior) had 4 NFL draftees in the first 2 rounds of the following year with 7 overall.
The point here isn't to criticize Richt or tell you that Kirby will be the greatest ever. I'm just saying that it's too early to pile onto Smart, and comparing the relative success that one coach had in 2001 to what is happening at Georgia in 2016 just isn't valid. The biggest leaps in a program tend to be in a coach's 2nd year, and so we can better answer your question "can kirby do that" in 2017.
re: Kirby Smart does not have to coach this year
Posted by Dawgs28 on 9/26/16 at 9:33 am
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Those examples are not a matter of tenure and getting your own people in place. Nicholls? Seriously? You don't think we had the personnel to beat them easily?
Ask Nick Saban how is Alabama team did in '07 during his first season against Louisiana Monroe before he had his people in place. While we're on the subject of Georgia's personnel though, less than a year ago a 15 year tenured coach with a very similar roster needed overtime to beat Georgia Southern.
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Against Nicholls? Absolutely. When it comes to preparation? Absolutely. When it comes to record? Not so much. I don't think people have a problem with losing to Ole Miss. It was how we lost. That was the argument for Richt, and that should certainly be the argument for the Ole Miss game. Look at the rosters and see who has more 4 and 5* players. It's not like we have no talent. Saturday was preparation. Peter Buck has a point.
We have one side that wants to pick apart every decision and nose scratch Kirby makes, and the other side that would give him a pass if he decided to stay home from the game.
There needs to be some honest, unbiased evaluation.
There does need to be unbiased evaluation, but to be fair preparation is such a hard thing to quantify. I'm not saying that CKS isn't to blame, but I can't really make that call 4 games into his coaching career. If we're seeing the same things in week 8 of 2017 then you can have the conversation, but isn't it unreasonable to pin so much on a coach who hasn't even been with the team a full calendar year? To me the real double standard is thinking that we know anything about Kirby Smart as a HC 4 games into his coaching career. The standard for someone 4 games in vs. 15 years in shouldn't be the same, and while this may change in a year from now, for the time being he gets the benefit of the doubt.
re: Fantastic class Georgia
Posted by Dawgs28 on 2/3/16 at 7:55 pm
Really happy with the class. Wish we could have landed an OT, but I'm still very happy.
#7 class nationally, #4 in the SEC. Perhaps most importantly though, #1 in the SEC east by a pretty good margin.
#7 class nationally, #4 in the SEC. Perhaps most importantly though, #1 in the SEC east by a pretty good margin.
re: (Braves Board) A question about Dansby
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/18/15 at 2:58 pm
I see him staying up the middle either as SS or 2B because he doesn't have the power bat you want out of a corner infielder. I would say SS is more likely than 2B as well.
re: Realistic expectations for Kirby Smart?We know that a top 10 finish 1/2 the time
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/18/15 at 2:52 pm
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Really?Good thing you didn't do that.
Are you referring to my rebuttal of your cherry picked stats, or the additional stats I layered on top of them?
:rolleyes:
Ultimately for me it comes down to is the team competitive in a way where close scrutiny does not find 5, 6, 7, and more areas where you are wondering what happened.
re: Realistic expectations for Kirby Smart?We know that a top 10 finish 1/2 the time
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/16/15 at 8:04 pm
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2016 schedule -
UNC at GA Dome - ( Williams is a SR ) - W
NICK ST - W
@ MIZZ - W
@ OM - L
UT - L
@ USC - W
VU - W
UF - toss up ( they are losing a lot on D and QB situation)
@ UK - W
AU - W
LS CAJUNS - W
GT - W
I'm looking at 10-2, 9-3 at worse.
Where does anyone really see 4-6 losses?
Just to play devils advocate. Three games of note that could flip:
NC - Williams is a SR, but Georgia will have an 18 year old true freshmen at QB.
AU - I think they had a young team this past year, and it's not like Georgia blew them away.
GT - Tech was decimated by injuries this past season and had a lot of young guys on the field.
In 2016 we will be without our only legitimate weapon from 2015 at WR, breaking in a brand new QB as a true freshmen, two of maybe the best O-lineman on the team, and 3 of the better players on the defense this past season from the front 7. Oh and special teams, we will need a new place kicker. Hopefully it's next guy up in all of those situations, but I'm not ready to pencil in 9 or 10 wins as a given with so much turnover to go along with a schedule which will likely be more difficult than 2015.
re: Realistic expectations for Kirby Smart?We know that a top 10 finish 1/2 the time
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/16/15 at 7:33 pm
I'll play.
-An SECCG appearance every 3 years would be fantastic, but if that stat is skewed due to being heavily front loaded with 3 in the first 5 and just 2 over the next 10 years would probably be a disappointment.
-Finishing in the top 10 half the time in 15 years would be a good pretty good feat. However, if those top 10 finishes are again front loaded, and there is a stretch of 6 years where the team finishes unranked in half of them then that would be a major disappointment.
Sorry couldn't help myself
Now as to the real question. First you need to establish a realistic baseline based, and that is difficult do if you just cherry pick 2 stats. What if UGA goes on a 5 year run with just 1 top 10 finish, but they are top 15 the rest of the seasons? What if they go top 10 3 times during a 5 year period and the wheels completely fall off in the other 2? Would making the SECCG 4 times in 5 years be satisfactory if we went 8-4 in those years? Much like with the previous era, there are a number of variables which need to be taken into consideration.
I will be extremely happy if 5 years from now the team has appeared in the Georgia Dome twice, a few top 12 finishes while never falling farther than #20, and the teams walks away from truly quality opponents with about a 50/50 split. After 5 years I would also think it would very nice if I were able to look forward to season 6 without wondering how many times the team is going to end a Saturday down by 2+ touchdowns.
-An SECCG appearance every 3 years would be fantastic, but if that stat is skewed due to being heavily front loaded with 3 in the first 5 and just 2 over the next 10 years would probably be a disappointment.
-Finishing in the top 10 half the time in 15 years would be a good pretty good feat. However, if those top 10 finishes are again front loaded, and there is a stretch of 6 years where the team finishes unranked in half of them then that would be a major disappointment.
Sorry couldn't help myself
Now as to the real question. First you need to establish a realistic baseline based, and that is difficult do if you just cherry pick 2 stats. What if UGA goes on a 5 year run with just 1 top 10 finish, but they are top 15 the rest of the seasons? What if they go top 10 3 times during a 5 year period and the wheels completely fall off in the other 2? Would making the SECCG 4 times in 5 years be satisfactory if we went 8-4 in those years? Much like with the previous era, there are a number of variables which need to be taken into consideration.
I will be extremely happy if 5 years from now the team has appeared in the Georgia Dome twice, a few top 12 finishes while never falling farther than #20, and the teams walks away from truly quality opponents with about a 50/50 split. After 5 years I would also think it would very nice if I were able to look forward to season 6 without wondering how many times the team is going to end a Saturday down by 2+ touchdowns.
re: CKS asked why he picked Chaney....his response
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/14/15 at 10:03 pm
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i remember the shock when Mark Richt picked a journeyman nobody from Grand Valley St or something to be his DC. he used some of the same rationale to explain it. ie he had been impressed with how hard it was to play against van gorder's defenses
I was going to call out the same example. I'm less than blown away by the hire, but I have no problem waiting to see how it pans out. My main rationale is the same as above. Smart faced off against Chaney's offenses at Tennessee and Arkansas many times, and that's the guy he decided to hire as his own OC.
re: Cochran staying at Bama
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/14/15 at 9:55 pm
Whoa, just chill. It's December 14. We're 8 days into officially having Kirby Smart as the head coach, 2 months from national signing day, and over 9 months away from seeing the kind of product that CKS will put on the field. Lets not overreact to every coaching hire/not hire, high school commit/decommit
I think "sets us back 3 years" is not the best choice of words. Where would we be with Richt 3 years from now that Kirby can't take the program? What reasoning is there to believe that the 8 days of the Smart era would lead anyone to believe that? Not happy with the OC hire? Well if Richt is still the guy then we would have the same OC in 2016 and possibly 2017 too. Recruiting? Maybe the '15 class doesn't end up being quite as good as it was headed with Richt. It will still be very good though, and it's not like the results were mind blowing in other instances where the previous regime pulled in fantastic classes. We didn't steal the Strength and Conditioning coordinator from Alabama? We weren't going to have him with Richt either. I know you said you have faith in Kirby, but my point is just that nothing we have seen so far is really reaction worthy, and comparatively speaking nothing is any worse than where we were headed with Richt except recruiting. Even that projects to take only a minor hit.
I think "sets us back 3 years" is not the best choice of words. Where would we be with Richt 3 years from now that Kirby can't take the program? What reasoning is there to believe that the 8 days of the Smart era would lead anyone to believe that? Not happy with the OC hire? Well if Richt is still the guy then we would have the same OC in 2016 and possibly 2017 too. Recruiting? Maybe the '15 class doesn't end up being quite as good as it was headed with Richt. It will still be very good though, and it's not like the results were mind blowing in other instances where the previous regime pulled in fantastic classes. We didn't steal the Strength and Conditioning coordinator from Alabama? We weren't going to have him with Richt either. I know you said you have faith in Kirby, but my point is just that nothing we have seen so far is really reaction worthy, and comparatively speaking nothing is any worse than where we were headed with Richt except recruiting. Even that projects to take only a minor hit.
re: So let me get this straight
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/13/15 at 3:14 pm
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I don't like that the UGA HC will be seen for at least one more game and likely two more games wearing crimson with a Bama script A across his chest. It is just weird. He should have committed to coaching the SECCG and nothing more. He is the UGA HC and he will be wearing and promoting Bama for the next 3 weeks and that shite just ain't right. Recruiting and dead period logic is not the issue to me. The issue is that he is promoting Bama football by wearing that stuff for millions to see when his as should be in nothing other than red and black. He is OUR HC .....right damn now but will be sporting the colors and name of another program. Should not happen under any circumstance.
Any instance where his value is promoting Alabama over, UGA gets a free advertismenet "hey look this is the new UGA head football coach"
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People know about UGA... We don't need the advertisement... We need to a head coach go start putting his team together.
Yes, people know UGA, but the UGA brand doesn't mean much outside of it's fan base due to not really being relevant in many years. Current HS seniors and (more importantly) juniors will see the future UGA head coach helping a team compete for a national championship.
re: OT: Braves trade rape Dbacks
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/10/15 at 10:50 am
Sucks to lose a pitcher of Shelby's caliber, but this was a win any way you look at it.
A young bat on a major league roster with more controllable years than we had left with Miller. Not to mention he hit like .300 last year, stole a bunch of bases and played great defense.
Their #1 draft pick in 2015. Not sure about his defense, but he has a pretty good bat.
One of their top pitching prospects.
A young bat on a major league roster with more controllable years than we had left with Miller. Not to mention he hit like .300 last year, stole a bunch of bases and played great defense.
Their #1 draft pick in 2015. Not sure about his defense, but he has a pretty good bat.
One of their top pitching prospects.
re: Once the Smoke Clears...
Posted by Dawgs28 on 12/7/15 at 7:45 pm
+1 for MSU & Stanford. Win or lose on Saturday, I want the team that just played us to still be feeling it on the following Thursday.
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