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re: A new HC - what are our expectations?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:24 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:24 am to DawgsLife
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McElwaine is the exception to the rule.
What rule? Urban cam from Bowling Green then Utah. He won a championship in his second year.
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AND< let's not say he is great until he does it for a few years.
He has shite to work with on offense. Literally. Somehow they make enough plays to win and they gave LSU a very good game. LSU would sling dick through us right now.
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:25 am to DawgsLife
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No. I didn't. I said USCe. Just on a statement by Spurrier they lost several top recruits last year. They are not recruiting well this year, either.
You mentioned an example of a coach that was still around. Not what I asked for.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:28 am to DawgsLife
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Because you don't change coaches every time a malcontent pushes for a change, that's why. There will ALWAYS be SOMEBODY wanting a change.
Damage is done by the questions that arise with heat.
Not always. No one wanted Richt gone after 2002.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:55 am to SneakyWaff1es
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What rule? Urban cam from Bowling Green then Utah. He won a championship in his second year.
The rule that says a coach will come into a program and it will get better quickly. Throw Urban out and Saban for that matter....for obvious reasons. They are clearly the best coaches in the country and two of the best of all time. MOST coaches struggle for the first few years....for a lot of reasons. MAINLY because the put in a new system, but also because they typically come into a situation that is very, very bad, or at least deteriorating. McElwaine has done a great job....but, again, Muschamp looked pretty good for a short time, too. You can't truly evaluate a coach until he has been there for several years.
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He has shite to work with on offense. Literally.
Not really. Florida has ALWAYS recruited well....even while Muschamp was there. Muschamp just didn't have an offensive bent. But, as I said...let's revisit McElwaine in 2-3 more years before we crown him king. Remember what Muschamp did in his second year or so in Florida?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:57 am to djsdawg
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You mentioned an example of a coach that was still around. Not what I asked for.
Say what? You asked me to name a program that kept good recruits after a coach retired, was fired or left. I showed you what happened when Spurrier hinted he would leave. How is that different? they are struggling with recruiting now that Spurrier left. What's not to understand? They have lost several recruits, not the least of which is Marlon Character and Kyle Davis.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:59 am to djsdawg
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Damage is done by the questions that arise with heat.
Yes, and there are always questions around every program. Remember when rumors surfaced that saban was going to texas? had he left, do you seriously believe Alabama's recruiting would not be affected?
Many recruits have openly stated that they come to UGA because of Richt. Some because of Pruitt. If they leave do you seriously think it will not affect their decisions? Eason, for one has already said as much, and he won't be the only one.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:00 am to djsdawg
Bare minimum, IMO. (This is not what I expect to happen, I think this is what we should accept assuming Richt's leaving doesn't leave us too big of holes)
1st - 6 or 7 wins. New system or whatever. I will still be a little disappointed, but obviously he would get a pass. We show flashes of being good. Beat at least 1 of Tech, UF, AU.
2nd - 8-9 wins. We compete for the East, maybe not win it-Come in 2nd or 3rd. Don't get blown out unless we are just clearly overmatched. Make great strives fundamentally and are in every game. Maybe get an upset.
3rd. 10 wins. 10 wins, absolutely no less IMO. We should win the east or come in a close 2nd. Competitive in each big game we have. Beat 2/3 of UF, Tech, and AU.
1st - 6 or 7 wins. New system or whatever. I will still be a little disappointed, but obviously he would get a pass. We show flashes of being good. Beat at least 1 of Tech, UF, AU.
2nd - 8-9 wins. We compete for the East, maybe not win it-Come in 2nd or 3rd. Don't get blown out unless we are just clearly overmatched. Make great strives fundamentally and are in every game. Maybe get an upset.
3rd. 10 wins. 10 wins, absolutely no less IMO. We should win the east or come in a close 2nd. Competitive in each big game we have. Beat 2/3 of UF, Tech, and AU.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:01 am to DawgsLife
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MOST coaches struggle for the first few years
Based on what?
Donnan and Richt had their best seasons in year 2.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:01 am to gatorhata9
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Man, I really like Herman. The only thing that scares me is he only has one year of head coaching experience. If we were to go with Herman, I'd love him to have one or two more years under his belt before bringing him in. Let him run the cycle of a couple of years as a head coach to see how he does.
I agree. he seems to be good, but it is really hard to tell after only one year. However, if Richt is gone after this year and we HAVE to take a chance, then he would be on my list.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:02 am to gatorhata9
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This makes me think we can get a bigger name, a more established coach who has proven he can win.
This is where McGarity terrifies me with the Dan Mullen talk. Maybe he'd be a tremendous hire, and I'm totally wrong, but I've got a bad feeling about this chatter. The good thing is that it's been a decade and a half since an SEC coach left for another gig in the same league.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:03 am to djsdawg
Look at Spurrier. Saban. I mean...we can go on and on arguing both ways. But, just because most are inheriting bad to poor situations they struggle. And you seem to think we are a dumpster fire.....sooooo.....
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:04 am to DawgsLife
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Not really.
They have nothing on the O-Line. They have two QBs, one of which sucks and the other is suspended. They have one good receiver. Their offense is absolute shite. I would hate to see what that coaching staff could accomplish with what we have.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:06 am to DawgsLife
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You mentioned an example of a coach that was still around. Not what I asked for.
Say what? You asked me to name a program that kept good recruits after a coach retired, was fired or left. I showed you what happened when Spurrier hinted he would leave. How is that different? they are struggling with recruiting now that Spurrier left. What's not to understand? They have lost several recruits, not the least of which is Marlon Character and Kyle Davis.
Big difference in a coach saying he won't be around for 4 years and a coach being gone and a new one being hired in December. Not the same thing.
Besides, sc isnt a traditional recruiting power like Uga. Struggling in recruiting is normal for them, and it doesn't support the idea that Uga would struggle as well. Uga 2001 class proves you wrong as do many other examples.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:06 am to VoxDawg
Why would Mullen be so bad? Just scored 31 on a team we managed 9 against. You can't say he's got a plethroa of talent at MSU. although I am worried about him as a recruiter.
You get him a DC, and an excellent recruiter and I think you have a fine program.
Just my .02
You get him a DC, and an excellent recruiter and I think you have a fine program.
Just my .02
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:09 am to dhuck20
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Why would Mullen be so bad? Just scored 31 on a team we managed 9 against. You can't say he's got a plethroa of talent at MSU.
If we had a QB of Dak's caliber, it would mask a lot of our inefficiencies too.
I don't think Mullen is a bad coach. I just don't think he is an automatic upgrade over Richt.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:09 am to DawgsLife
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Damage is done by the questions that arise with heat.
Yes, and there are always questions around every program. Remember when rumors surfaced that saban was going to texas? had he left, do you seriously believe Alabama's recruiting would not be affected?
Many recruits have openly stated that they come to UGA because of Richt. Some because of Pruitt. If they leave do you seriously think it will not affect their decisions? Eason, for one has already said as much, and he won't be the only one.
No, it's not always. I already told you that. Example: Zero questions after 2002 for Uga and Richt.
I bet a strong hire signs a great class at bama in that situation.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:12 am to VoxDawg
I thought the knock on Mullen was his recruiting ability ?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:50 am to SneakyWaff1es
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They have two QBs, one of which sucks and the other is suspended.
And McElwaine built his record on the QB that is suspended. He was a top recruit. Florida has always recruited well. You are absing your evaluations on what happened with Muschamp and company at the helm. Perspectives change according to records and results. If Florida continues to do well and they make the playoffs the perspective on the team will change. they will be considered to have had a lot of talent.
Now....look at what we have. Our top RB is hurt, bad QB, one decent WR and a very, very young team with a lot of freshmen playing. Add to that our top RB is out for the year, our OL is underperforming...see how that works?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:54 am to DawgsLife
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bad QB, one decent WR and a very, very young team with a lot of freshmen playing. our OL is underperforming...see how that works?
Only one man to blame for this that remains in Athens.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:54 am to djsdawg
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Big difference in a coach saying he won't be around for 4 years and a coach being gone and a new one being hired in December. Not the same thing.
It's exactly the same thing. In both cases the coach is leaving the program...and in both cases it affects recruiting. There are certain coaches that players want to play for. Richt, Saban, Meyer and Spurrier are some of those. If they are taken away from a program recruits will bail. We have seen several of our top recruits already say they are coming to UGA because of Richt, haven't we?
(By the way...this is an interesting thread. A very good idea)
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