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Question for LSU Fans - RE: Chavis's Defense
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:36 am
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:36 am
LSU fans, I have to say I am amazed by LSU's defense. Not just because it beats A&M, but because LSU seems to have the only defense in the country (well them and maybe Stanford) that can consistently stop modern offenses.
Other praised great defense minds of the last five years- Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, Will Muschamp, etc. - have not had success stopping these offenses. Only LSU has, thanks to that Chavis D. And we are watching these offenses spread through college football thanks to that success.
My question is:
How does he do it and (more important part) can his success be copied in your opinion? Is it a system that anyone can run given the players, or is it his gameday or week-to-week coaching that makes a difference?
The reason why I ask is because a new set of regional coaches have hung their fortunes on stopping modern offenses (Bret, Charlie, etc.) and I am wondering if they have any chance of copying the only defense in football that has done the job.
Thank you in advance for any responses.
:inb4LSUbeatsA&Matsomething: - this thread isn't an US vs YOU
Other praised great defense minds of the last five years- Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, Will Muschamp, etc. - have not had success stopping these offenses. Only LSU has, thanks to that Chavis D. And we are watching these offenses spread through college football thanks to that success.
My question is:
How does he do it and (more important part) can his success be copied in your opinion? Is it a system that anyone can run given the players, or is it his gameday or week-to-week coaching that makes a difference?
The reason why I ask is because a new set of regional coaches have hung their fortunes on stopping modern offenses (Bret, Charlie, etc.) and I am wondering if they have any chance of copying the only defense in football that has done the job.
Thank you in advance for any responses.
:inb4LSUbeatsA&Matsomething: - this thread isn't an US vs YOU
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:42 am to cardboardboxer
Chavis recruits for speed, not size. He rotates frequently. LSU pre-season training in August stresses conditioning and stamina.
CJC's philosophy is built around having shut-down CB's first and foremost. Having those opens up the playbook everywhere else.
CJC's philosophy is built around having shut-down CB's first and foremost. Having those opens up the playbook everywhere else.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:45 am to cardboardboxer
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this thread isn't an US vs YOU
Well since you put it that way.....frick LSU
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:45 am to cardboardboxer
LINK
This guy had a good article on it.
This guy had a good article on it.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:38 am to cardboardboxer
I, too, am consistently impressed with Chavis's defense. It's a blast to watch.
But, I don't get why he can't figure out the Hugh Freeze/Sunshine combo. I'm glad he can't, and I pray it stays that way, but it's baffling.
But, I don't get why he can't figure out the Hugh Freeze/Sunshine combo. I'm glad he can't, and I pray it stays that way, but it's baffling.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:50 am to cardboardboxer
I really think the gameplan that they had practiced all offseason leading up to Oregon (2011) stuck with Chavis.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:03 am to cardboardboxer
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How does he do it
System is built on speed and getting multiple tacklers to the ball carrier. The basic goals are (a) take away the outside with elite corners, (b) if possible put pressure on the QB, and then (C) get hats to the ball with speed.
Chavis' D has proven vulnerable to a powerful inside run game when he doesn't have elite DTs like Michael Brockers. When he has got the inside AND the outside locked down, the other team is in trouble, for the most part (ala 2011).
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:59 am to cardboardboxer
Better question is why does Chavis struggle so much on third downs and at the end of each half?
Posted on 7/4/14 at 11:19 am to cardboardboxer
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The reason why I ask is because a new set of regional coaches have hung their fortunes on stopping modern offenses (Bret, Charlie, etc.) and I am wondering if they have any chance of copying the only defense in football that has done the job.
That's not accurate at all.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:10 pm to cardboardboxer
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Other praised great defense minds of the last five years- Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, Will Muschamp, etc. - have not had success stopping these offenses.
This is dumb. The biggest difference between LSU's and Bama 's game against A&M last year was that JFF was perfect on almost every pass against us, and he looked like Jordan Jefferson against LSU throwing the ball. Missed multiple easy TD passes.
Furthermore, Saban' s defenses have stopped way more modern spread offenses than not.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:36 pm to cardboardboxer
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How does he do it and (more important part) can his success be copied in your opinion?
It can be copied but only a handful of programs would be able to come close to its consistency.
LSU runs a base 4-3 which is a big key in stopping the HUNH in my opinion. It allows for smaller tackles that can run and smaller ends that can run also. A base 3-4 relies on a big nose guard to chew up the middle and two big ends and neither are really built for HUNH offenses. Think about the ends that Bama uses and that they could essentially be tackles for LSU.
The next is developing corners into top notch guys. Put them on an island and they shine. LSU has consistently pumped corners into the NFL and they aren't all top recruits.
Their safeties play their spots and cover any mistakes made up front.
The biggest key to their success is patience and team play. They are able to contain the likes of JFF because their ends are patient and play their spots with disregard for end game stats.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:42 pm to cardboardboxer
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How does he do it and (more important part) can his success be copied in your opinion?
LSU "Mustang" package. Three down linemen and eight DB's if you count the LB's as DB's. Coverage and blitzes are easy to disguise when you match that many DB's on the receiver corps. Also your CB's have got to be able to play man coverage.
One other aspect that I have never heard discussed here is what I call the fox and hound strategy. When you have someone like JFF that will run with the ball a lot then build a fence and run a blitz to flush him into it.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:18 pm to cardboardboxer
you'll hear a lot about the Mustang Package. Which is not a conventional "situational" type package. In other words, when O trots X players on field, they don't swap to it. O doesn't dictate when it's used I guess is the best way of saying it. It's more a style that allows flexibility.
- already stated, physical CB's that cover very well.
- LB's that can cover slots/TE's in parts of the field (and know when to release them to safety's). That's the speed vs size.
- Have to have multiple skill safeties.
- DTs that abosrb blockers, DE's that can play in space.
One thing I noticed about when LSU played TAMU was controlled rush. And not just keeping lanes (everybody tried that). I saw once where Mingo had him dead to rights and he just stopped and moved just enough to keep the OT off of him. What he did was take away 3-4 gaps that JFF could run in. Takes coached discipline for that (credit Brick Haley too).
ETA: looks like I just elaborated on what GetMoreWithLes said. sorry.
- already stated, physical CB's that cover very well.
- LB's that can cover slots/TE's in parts of the field (and know when to release them to safety's). That's the speed vs size.
- Have to have multiple skill safeties.
- DTs that abosrb blockers, DE's that can play in space.
One thing I noticed about when LSU played TAMU was controlled rush. And not just keeping lanes (everybody tried that). I saw once where Mingo had him dead to rights and he just stopped and moved just enough to keep the OT off of him. What he did was take away 3-4 gaps that JFF could run in. Takes coached discipline for that (credit Brick Haley too).
ETA: looks like I just elaborated on what GetMoreWithLes said. sorry.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 4:21 pm
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