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Interesting story about the prowess of Caleb Downs

Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:14 pm
Posted by My2Bits
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:14 pm

From: NY Times:
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Jason Kirk
By Jason Kirk
Hey, it's NFL Draft week. As always, I think your alma mater does the best job of preparing young men for pro football — and life in general. However, every time your rival gets mentioned alongside a pick this weekend, that'll be nothing but portal-farming.
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Pluses, minuses for NFL in new CFB world
The NFL is still catching up to the 2020s' many landmark college football changes. From COVID's extra eligibility year to NIL keeping players in school longer, drafts in this era have featured prospects ranging in age from 20-ish to 25-ish, all while transfers have made the whole thing more complicated for NFL scouts.

This year, the effects of change are particularly evident in a thin QB crop. Almost everyone believes in Indiana's Fernando Mendoza at No. 1, but after him? Well, look at who's still in school.

We can complain about Arch Manning's fame all we like, but some teams absolutely would've considered him a first-rounder. Oregon's Dante Moore was a potential top-five pick before he chose to stick around. Five years ago, players comparable to Ole Miss' Trinidad Chambliss would've gone pro, rather than fighting to stay.

On that note, one quote from our Bruce Feldman that jumped out right away in his 2026 NFL Draft confidential:

"After two months of talks with more than two dozen NFL coaches and scouts, granted anonymity for their candor, the consensus is that we’ve got a bad draft for quarterbacks, a 'not great' one for receivers and the worst draft for defensive tackles in at least a decade."

To be clear, a lag in the NFL's free talent-development pipeline is the NFL's problem, meaning it's not actually a problem. The world's richest sports league can figure out how to deal with it. As a college football partisan, I think it rocks that we get to keep star players longer, sometimes by paying them more than the NFL would. Even better, it's not my money that's being spent. ??

Interestingly, some of the biggest names that did enter this draft might be especially unfinished products. In Bruce's story, coaches used the word "raw" to describe eight prospects, which might or might not be a high amount. Multiple used that description for Ohio State linebacker Arvell Reese, the likeliest No. 2 pick, while also praising his enormous upside. (He'll likely turn out great.)

As for the likeliest No. 2 quarterback, merely a 15-game college starter:

"'There are some things about (Alabama’s) Ty Simpson I appreciate, but the lack of experience and real starter traits is a concern,' said the personnel director. 'He needed to stay in college.'"

And he certainly could've, at Bama or elsewhere, having reportedly been offered $6.5 million by Miami. That's about three times what he'll make in 2026 if he's picked in the second round. But would competing against Manning, Moore and company next year have been the bigger long-term risk? Newly complex considerations.

The NFL might also benefit from this era, however. After safety Dillon Thieneman excelled in different schemes at Purdue and Oregon, one NFL DB coach told Bruce that Thieneman is "one of the more versatile safeties I’ve seen." Similar story for No. 1 safety Caleb Downs, who "picked up Nick Saban’s system as a true freshman and led the Tide in tackles by a wide margin, and then as a leader on the Buckeyes defense."

Also, that story gave us the latest head-turning anecdote about Downs being a professor on the field, from an NFL defensive backs coach:

"This guy sat down at his formal interview and installed his defense, and then talked about how he would play it in our defense. He knew the rules of our defense before he came into the meeting. Nobody’s doing that."

What's more impressive than a young player becoming a leader on one college team? Becoming a leader on two, perhaps by having walked into Columbus as a chip off the old Saban block. Might say something about his ability to do the same at the next level, right?


Just Wow! He might end up being a HOF.
Posted by Sandkhan
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:18 pm to
Post this in the OSU board. To hell with him
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 6:20 pm
Posted by Archives
Member since Mar 2026
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 7:08 pm to
With the exception of Jalen Hurts, any former player of Bama that transfers away is dead to me. Couldn't care less what Downs does now.
Posted by Sandkhan
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 7:46 pm to
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With the exception of Jalen Hurts, any former player of Bama that transfers away is dead to me. Couldn't care less what Downs does now.


There are certain players I don’t fault. Players that played hard but couldn’t get a starter position like a Taulia, Richard Young, etc.

Honestly, even when Kadyn Proctor transferred to Iowa I wasn’t MAD just bummed. He was going home to play for a school he was committed to for a long time. I sort of feel that way about Keeley(slightly less because I think he was finally due to play but I think we should’ve played him more last year). I’m not happy Proctor/Keeley left but I at least get it.


Downs is just a disloyal bitch arse. He could’ve stayed and helped bridge the gap. He’d still be a 1st rounder. But when the going gets tough the pussies run to where it’s easy.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:04 pm to
I don’t really fault downs in hindsight. He came here to play for Saban. Had Saban retired when he was a senior in HS, he probably never signs with bama.

I think the real irony here is that while Downs was solid his entire college career, his best year was as a freshman at Bama
Posted by Sandkhan
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:11 pm to
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I don’t really fault downs in hindsight. He came here to play for Saban. Had Saban retired when he was a senior in HS, he probably never signs with bama.


Saban was still in the building. Saban wanted all the players to stay and make it an easy transaction. He also had tons of teammates he left high and dry. Even if he just came to play for Saban you still should have some loyalty to your teammates and some pride in your legacy instead of just being a mercenary
Posted by Kashmir
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:12 pm to
Who?
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:17 pm to
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Downs is just a disloyal bitch arse. He could’ve stayed and helped bridge the gap


Guy was lucky enough to get Saban, one of the best DB coaches of all time, as his personal GA for a year and then took everything he learned from Saban's last year to OSU, basically a rival, to compete against what Saban had built. Wildly disrespectful. He's gotta be the most hated former player and I cant imagine anyone else ever topping that.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:26 pm to
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He's gotta be the most hated former player and I cant imagine anyone else ever topping that.


Nah. Bond. Dude was leaving for a bag even before Saban announced his retirement.
Posted by Sandkhan
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:34 pm to
Glad Bond left. He’s a rapist.
Posted by Hawaiian Punch
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:35 pm to
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Even if he just came to play for Saban you still should have some loyalty to your teammates and some pride in your legacy instead of just being a mercenary

I agree with this in principle, but it’s not always so cut and dry. For example a guy like Jaheim Oatis. While he turned out to be a dud, had he been an NFL-level type talent but wasn’t going to play much under the new regime (not CKD & Co. specifically, just in general) due to scheme, or be utilized in a way that promoted his development, at what point should he just sacrifice his career and potential livelihood for “brotherhood”?

That said, this was not the case with Downs. And turns out Mo Linguist is a pretty damn good coach that looks like he will put players in the league regularly. Downs would have thrived in this defense.

Edit:
Of the teammates he left high and dry, I want to know which ones stayed without asking for a dollar/pay bump.
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 8:45 pm
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 10:42 pm to
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Downs is just a disloyal bitch as


frick him.
Posted by Dubosed
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Posted on 4/22/26 at 6:50 am to
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he's gotta be the most hated former pl
ayer and I can't imagine anyone else ever topping that


Yeah Im gonna have to go with the POS that was drunk driving at a 160mph slammed into a young woman and watched her and her fricking dog burn alive and then got a slap on the wrist for it.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 4/22/26 at 7:04 am to
I wish him the best and like him a lot, but I find him to be significantly overrated.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 4/22/26 at 7:19 am to
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Downs is just a disloyal bitch arse. He could’ve stayed and helped bridge the gap. He’d still be a 1st rounder. But when the going gets tough the pussies run to where it’s easy.

Downs transferred, made a bunch of NIL money, won a national championship, won the Thorpe Award, and may be a top five pick in the draft. Sounds like things turned out well for him.

If Downs had been a 5 star bust getting beat on the field all the time, the fans would have been the first hollering to replace him with another hotshot recruit or transfer. But if he leaves for a better opportunity, well, he’s just a disloyal bitch.

Everyone wants all this loyalty from players, but none of the fans are going to be around to help pay the rent and buy groceries in ten years if things don’t work out. In this world, you better do what’s best for YOU because no one else is going to.
Posted by Sandkhan
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/22/26 at 8:57 am to
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But if he leaves for a better opportunity, well, he’s just a disloyal bitch.


“Better opportunity”. Sounds like you need to go to Columbus with him.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 4/22/26 at 9:10 am to
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With the exception of Jalen Hurts,


It must just be me, but I don't have this glowing memory of Hurts that the majority of y'all do. I remember the year Tua replaced him as starter, during the off- and pre-season he and his parents were showing their asses talking about his "brand" and acting disgruntled. The fact he stayed through the '18 season wasn't an altruistic act of loyalty. It was simply too late at that point to transfer. After that season, he dipped.
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Member since Dec 2008
10870 posts
Posted on 4/22/26 at 9:21 am to
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It must just be me, but I don't have this glowing memory of Hurts that the majority of y'all do. I remember the year Tua replaced him as starter, during the off- and pre-season he and his parents were showing their asses talking about his "brand" and acting disgruntled. The fact he stayed through the '18 season wasn't an altruistic act of loyalty. It was simply too late at that point to transfer. After that season, he dipped.


He was a revelation his first year. Scored late in the NCG against Clemson but we couldn't hold on defense.

The next year was just weird. He was so predictable (gonna always roll to the right) and people just had it figured out. UGA absolutely shut him down. I don't know what got him scared, but I think he played scared, at least in passing situaitons.

Maybe that was self imposed, maybe it was coaching...I don't know.

The way he handled it all, coming in to the SECCG to save the day, and remaining a "bammer" have definitely redeemed his image, and his success in the nfl have softened our memories of him.
Posted by Sandkhan
Member since Jun 2009
8401 posts
Posted on 4/22/26 at 9:37 am to
I really think Hurts didn’t fit with Daboll. He played well as a Freshman and a Junior in relief and when Tua was hurt.

I think that year with Daboll messed up his growth at Alabama because he looked great every other year.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/22/26 at 10:28 am to
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Downs is just a disloyal bitch arse. He could’ve stayed and helped bridge the gap. He’d still be a 1st rounder. But when the going gets tough the pussies run to where it’s easy.
Yeah, I pretty much feel this way. I get what he did, doesn't mean I agree with it. It was like a Kevin Durant scenario.
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