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Some observations from yesterday's games

Posted on 10/26/25 at 1:08 pm
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 10/26/25 at 1:08 pm
First of all, did you note the stadiums at both AU-Arky and LSU-ATM? I don't think Arky ever got more than half full, and LSU emptied Tiger stadium like someone pulled the drain plug after halftime. By the 4th quarter, ATM people outnumbered LSU, and by end of game, I bet there weren't 2k LSU people left. Yeah, ATM blew them out late, but this was a big game that could easily have turned in the 2nd half, and for Arky, who has lost several close ones just like we have, this was a HC try-out. I have seen AU people no-show and go home early, but never in those numbers. Next time someone tries to tell you "Auburn people are no different than anyone else", think about those empty stadiums.

There is persistent discussion that LSU is headed toward moving on from Brian Kelly. That was as gold-plated a hire as DeBoer or any other hire in recent memory since Saban. There are no sure things in coaching searches. Which is different than saying we categorically shouldn't start one. Jury's still out IMO.

Kiffen called a game against OU not at all dissimilar from what CHF called on O. The difference is that I can count on one hand the number of times Kiffen's QB waited past a "Two Mississippi" count to make a decision to run or throw. That, and no drops from the OM WR's. And OM didn't miss any FG's.

Texas went to Starkvegas and very nearly got their arse's beat. The problem was exactly what AU faces - Arch Manning holding onto the ball too long. Late in the game, Manning finally started rolling out of pressure and throwing on the run, or just tucking and running himself. That, along with a miracle 79 yd PR for a TD, was what got them past MSU. And a call or two from the refs. The calls in this game were not as egregious as those against AU were in the OU and UGA games, more along the lines of the "bammer benefit of the doubt always goes their way" calls of the Saban era. Texas has spent a lot more than we have on NIL and their coaching staff, and now rumor is that Sark may leave for the NFL.

Mizzou gave us the blueprint for shutting down Pavia, and we have more talent on D. Vandy looks very winnable to me. Had Mizzou's QB not gone down with an injury, I think they win that game.

ATM is the best team in the league. Reed, like OM's Trinidad, makes decisions RIGHT NOW once he has the ball. He has Concepcion, the best WR in the league, to throw to. That guy runs after the catch better than anyone. And their D is nasty. We did well to stay close with them at Kyle.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
24919 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 1:21 pm to
Glad to see that #38 Alex McPherson is coming back into his own with 6 FG's made.
Posted by Steve Rogers
Bama
Member since Jan 2021
813 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 1:47 pm to
We are now a top 5 rushing defense.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6567 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 1:54 pm to
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Jury's still out IMO.


A coach known for a passing offense just got a blank check for a portal QB, spent the farm on WRs and OL and his offense is one of the worst in the league. If the jury's still out, we've officially punched our ticket to the permanent bottom of the league because one way or the other, that QB and most of that offensive talent is jumping into the portal after this season and after three years of zero proof of concept, Freeze isn't pulling in those kind of offensive recruiting results at Auburn ever again.
This post was edited on 10/26/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
12888 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:18 pm to
Our offense is just as horrid as ever and Freeze still is completely incapable of scheming against the weakness of a defense.

Preston Howard sucks. He couldn’t catch the clap in a Berlin sex club

Ashton Daniels is no great shakes but he’s our only hope moving forward. Jackson Arnold has played his last meaningful snap in an Auburn uniform.

Brent Fullw…er, I mean Jeremiah Cobb is the best RB we’ve had since Kerryon.

X Atkins is a monster. Best LB in the SEC.

Who knew Rayshawn Pleasant would end up being our best playmaker DB.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49542 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:23 pm to
Doesn't help us any but people might be underestimating how costly the Horatio Fields injury was to us.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18500 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:36 pm to
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Who knew Rayshawn Pleasant would end up being our best playmaker DB.


He was on one of those "day in the life" videos Auburn puts out, it was back in the summer. This kid was using his NIL money to bring in a personal trainer to help him work on DB skills. Looks like that was money very well spent, good for him.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20093 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:42 pm to
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Preston Howard sucks. He couldn’t catch the clap in a Berlin sex club


Why is he ever in the game?

I’d rather watch Tate block than 15 drop the ball over and over.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34382 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:44 pm to
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This kid was using his NIL money to bring in a personal trainer to help him work on DB skills


Rents a house with zero furniture and stayed all day at the facility
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13913 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:45 pm to
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This kid was using his NIL money to bring in a personal trainer to help him work on DB skills

I get that 1:1 coaching can be very beneficial, but what does that say about our position coaches?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18500 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

Doesn't help us any but people might be underestimating how costly the Horatio Fields injury was to us.


Agreed Jang. He didnt get balls thrown to him because he was open......HE GOT open thats why balls were thrown to him. He bent routes depending on coverage, he sat down in zone holes, he came back for the ball, etc.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20093 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:59 pm to
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He bent routes depending on coverage, he sat down in zone holes, he came back for the ball, etc.


The pick six was a bad play call, a bad throw, and a bad route.

Perry has to win inside.

Arnold is to blame, but the route could have been better.

Freeze is to blame for not just sticking to the run.
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
1750 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 3:02 pm to
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. He bent routes depending on coverage, he sat down in zone holes, he came back for the ball, etc


Wait. You mean that's allowed?
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/26/25 at 3:16 pm to
Tank and Hunter were both better rbs
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
9553 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 3:19 pm to
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There is persistent discussion that LSU is headed toward moving on from Brian Kelly. That was as gold-plated a hire as DeBoer or any other hire in recent memory since Saban. There are no sure things in coaching searches. Which is different than saying we categorically shouldn't start one. Jury's still out IMO.


Kelly was hardly a gold plated hire. He was basically in the same situation as James Franklin with PSU and Jimbo was with FSU before he went to A&M. He just jumped ship before they got completely sick of him and got his golden parachute like Jimbo did. Obviously record wise he was gold plated, but his inability to beat good teams consistently had the ND fanbase not that sad to see him go once they were able to get Freeman as coach.

You are 100% right that there are no sure things in coaching searches though, which makes those 8-10 year contracts a really bad idea.

The jury is not out though, Hugh sucks as a coach.

As far as the AU fanbase goes, we are definitely the most loyal group through thick and through thin (the Gamecocks are up there too). LSU has always had a frontrunner fanbase, they have the quickest to bail crew.

Arky had a pathetic showing, but can't really blame them with the weather and the crap show that team has been. I can't see the crowds getting that bad for us, but I can see us having regular 75k games next year if Hugh is brought back. Moving the Baylor game makes the home slate extremely weak, and people are done with Freeze.
This post was edited on 10/26/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted by TheRealTigerHorn
Member since Jun 2023
239 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 4:11 pm to
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A coach known for a passing offense just got a blank check for a portal QB, spent the farm on WRs and OL and his offense is one of the worst in the league. If the jury's still out, we've officially punched our ticket to the permanent bottom of the league because one way or the other, that QB and most of that offensive talent is jumping into the portal after this season and after three years of zero proof of concept, Freeze isn't pulling in those kind of offensive recruiting results at Auburn ever again.


For whatever reason, I can't log back in under my original post name above, should be obvious though from the screen names we're the same.

Coming into this year, I expected between 7-5 and 9-3. The rubber games were OU, Mizzou, and Vandy. Say what you want about the offense, but we were good enough that it took a 17 point ref swing against OU and two missed lower mid range FGs against Mizzou for us to lose those two.

If you look at our experience X talent, we have plenty of talent, but lack experience playing together compared to the teams that have beaten us, and until yesterday, we were 55% on the year for FGs, well below our historical norm of 75%+. Before you make fun of FGs, the dreamy Lane Kiffen needed 4 of them to win in Norman yesterday.

It's fun to be a negaBarner and blow off steam, but I think a strong finish gets CHF one more year. Let's see what happens with the last three SEC games.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6567 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

It's fun to be a negaBarner and blow off steam, but I think a strong finish gets CHF one more year.


You may be right, but he'll be a lame duck.

This offense has looked hapless all year, but there is significant playmaking talent. The defense has kept us close and it is a top level defense. Every team is going to have issues with lack of experience playing together in the portal era, so I don't put much weight on that. We just look like we run a chaotic and out of date offensive scheme that is simple to predict and prepare for most of the time. From the talent we have to the schedule, this is as advantageous as things will ever get for Hugh. It's hard to understand giving him another year at this point... but it would be a very Auburn thing to do.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9443 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 5:09 pm to
TH, I agree with all of your post except for Vandy. Pavia has had our number for many years … and he still has it, unfortunately.

Another thought, … how good was it for our Offense to see Mac throwing up treys last night. Instead of wasting efforts, we were coming away with points … go figure.

Regarding LSU, evidently it’s a buyout -vs- NIL discussion.
“You can have one, but not both”

Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
9553 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

It's hard to understand giving him another year at this point... but it would be a very Auburn thing to do.


It would basically be the same as Arky bringing back Pitboss as head coach this season.

A large portion of our offensive talent will likely transfer after the season if Hugh comes back, they aren't going to tank their NFL draft stock for him. That combined with a harder SEC slate next year will pretty much ensure a bad result.
Posted by TheRealTigerHorn
Member since Jun 2023
239 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 6:34 pm to
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Every team is going to have issues with lack of experience playing together in the portal era, so I don't put much weight on that.


This is not accurate (rest of what you wrote I mostly agree with). Look at the top five-seven from last year, and top five from this year, and count the 1st year xfers. It will be low single digits. OM cratered last year with a team full of them. IU had a team full too (but a lot of them came with Cignetti and knew the system), an incredibly easy schedule to gel them against, and then lost to the only good teams they played.

OM is having more success this year, but they remain the only team to date to be 1st year xfer-heavy and win (so far at least) against a tough schedule. Bama, ATM and UGA are the most experienced teams in the SEC, and it shows.
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