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Stats on the Kind of Guy Who Makes a Good Coaching Hire
Posted on 10/24/25 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 10/24/25 at 2:50 pm
I found every coach who had won a P5 conference title since 2004. The Power 5 included SEC, B10, B12, Pac-12, ACC and Big East (before it dissolved). My dataset includes 52 coaches. I deleted Paterno and Bowden because FSU and PSU were both independent for a long time and it skews the numbers. So I was left with 50 coaches in total.
Age stats:
Average age when the coach was hired at his championship P5 job: 44
Age range: 33 (Dilly and Riley) up to 54/55 with Orgeron and Saban
Average age when the guy actually won his first title: 48
Time to win:
Average time it takes to win a title at the school: 3.3 seasons
Median time to win: 3 seasons
Range: 1st season up to 15th season (Bill Snyder).
Previous experience:
This only counts the job directly before the job in question here.
7 coaches (14%) were head coaches hired from other P5 programs.
9 coaches (18%) were G5 head coaches
3 coaches (6%) were FCS head coaches
3 coaches (6%) were NFL head coaches (Saban, Petrino, Harbaugh)
28 coaches (55%) were P5 coordinators or position coaches.
If you combine some of these:
7 coaches (14%) were previous P5 head coaches.
12 coaches (24%) were head coaches at a lower level of college ball
2 of the 3 previous NFL head coaches won national titles. (Petrino probably would have if he ever had a chance at a blue blood).
55% of hires were not head coaches
44% of hires were head coaches at some level (from FCS to NFL).
Takeaways:
1) Freeze was 53/54 when he was hired at AU. That makes him almost equal age to the oldest coaches in my dataset (Orgeron and Saban) when they were hired. Saban, however, had won a title at LSU and was already an NFL head coach.
2) If a coach doesn't win by his 3rd season, he probably never will. That is unless you are K-State and want to hold onto a coach forever just because.
Bottom line:
Unless you can nail a homerun championship coach (with titles already under his belt), you should aim for a coach in his early to mid 40's. Whether he is a coordinator or a G5 head coach doesn't matter all that much. Just check the stats for the best coordinators and check G5 records for best head coaches down there. Jon Sumrall is one G5 coach who fits this bill. For coordinators there are 3 or 4 who could be candidates (like Kirby Moore at Mizzou or the guy from Oregon). DJ Durkin deserves a look.
James Franklin has one conference title at Penn St as well as one playoff appearance. However, he could not beat OSU or Michigan like ever. He was 2-20 combined against them! That would be like our Bama and UGA. I am going to have to say "no thanks" as he does not fit my definition of "proven championship coach."
When I think of "proven" I think of Urban Meyer (who probably doesn't want to coach anymore) or someone like that.
Age stats:
Average age when the coach was hired at his championship P5 job: 44
Age range: 33 (Dilly and Riley) up to 54/55 with Orgeron and Saban
Average age when the guy actually won his first title: 48
Time to win:
Average time it takes to win a title at the school: 3.3 seasons
Median time to win: 3 seasons
Range: 1st season up to 15th season (Bill Snyder).
Previous experience:
This only counts the job directly before the job in question here.
7 coaches (14%) were head coaches hired from other P5 programs.
9 coaches (18%) were G5 head coaches
3 coaches (6%) were FCS head coaches
3 coaches (6%) were NFL head coaches (Saban, Petrino, Harbaugh)
28 coaches (55%) were P5 coordinators or position coaches.
If you combine some of these:
7 coaches (14%) were previous P5 head coaches.
12 coaches (24%) were head coaches at a lower level of college ball
2 of the 3 previous NFL head coaches won national titles. (Petrino probably would have if he ever had a chance at a blue blood).
55% of hires were not head coaches
44% of hires were head coaches at some level (from FCS to NFL).
Takeaways:
1) Freeze was 53/54 when he was hired at AU. That makes him almost equal age to the oldest coaches in my dataset (Orgeron and Saban) when they were hired. Saban, however, had won a title at LSU and was already an NFL head coach.
2) If a coach doesn't win by his 3rd season, he probably never will. That is unless you are K-State and want to hold onto a coach forever just because.
Bottom line:
Unless you can nail a homerun championship coach (with titles already under his belt), you should aim for a coach in his early to mid 40's. Whether he is a coordinator or a G5 head coach doesn't matter all that much. Just check the stats for the best coordinators and check G5 records for best head coaches down there. Jon Sumrall is one G5 coach who fits this bill. For coordinators there are 3 or 4 who could be candidates (like Kirby Moore at Mizzou or the guy from Oregon). DJ Durkin deserves a look.
James Franklin has one conference title at Penn St as well as one playoff appearance. However, he could not beat OSU or Michigan like ever. He was 2-20 combined against them! That would be like our Bama and UGA. I am going to have to say "no thanks" as he does not fit my definition of "proven championship coach."
When I think of "proven" I think of Urban Meyer (who probably doesn't want to coach anymore) or someone like that.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 2:58 pm to AUstar
Hugh has been given more resources than any other AU coach in our history, and he is trending as our worst hire. At a minimum top 3 worst hire.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 3:09 pm to AUCE05
Hugh needs an OC that can be a playcaller, that's the problem
Posted on 10/24/25 at 3:33 pm to AUstar
Those are some very enlightening stats, thanks OP. 
Posted on 10/24/25 at 3:53 pm to TemperdTiger
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Hugh needs to be fired, that's the problem
Agreed
Posted on 10/24/25 at 3:59 pm to AUstar
Sumrall or honestly Rhett Lashlee would be just fine with me as long as we make Lane Kiffin say no.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 4:35 pm to AUjim
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as long as we make Lane Kiffin block our number
I concur.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 5:05 pm to AUstar
Great work, OP.
A lot of it makes sense. Someone in their mid 40s is still hungry to establish themselves in their career and start producing at the peak of their adult life. They probably don’t have little kids to tend to and have settled into their social roles in life. They also are young enough to still (slightly) relate to youth and aren’t hitting any physical fitness walks that begin in your 50s.
Obviously there are a lot more factors to consider.
A lot of it makes sense. Someone in their mid 40s is still hungry to establish themselves in their career and start producing at the peak of their adult life. They probably don’t have little kids to tend to and have settled into their social roles in life. They also are young enough to still (slightly) relate to youth and aren’t hitting any physical fitness walks that begin in your 50s.
Obviously there are a lot more factors to consider.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 5:07 pm to AUstar
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DJ Durkin deserves a look.
A guy who has already failed as a P5 head coach deserves a look? And not only failed, but had a kid die during practice on his watch and had his team do a walk out on him because they were so pissed? Why on earth would he deserve a look?
Otherwise, great job on the research. Pretty much confirms what some of us have been saying that rehiring coaches that have been around the block is probably not the best idea and that assistants or lower level head coaches are the right play.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 5:15 pm to AUstar
The coaches we should be targeting -
1. Jon Sumrall
2. Rhett Lashlee
3. Kenny Dillingham
4. Glenn Schumann
5. Will Stein
1. Jon Sumrall
2. Rhett Lashlee
3. Kenny Dillingham
4. Glenn Schumann
5. Will Stein
Posted on 10/24/25 at 5:25 pm to TemperdTiger
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Hugh needs an OC that can be a playcaller, that's the problem
He needs someone who can evaluate talent, he needs someone who can develop talent, he needs someone who can design plays, he needs someone who can call plays, he needs someone that can make adjustments, he needs someone who can address the media without coming across like a clueless deflecting dweeb, he needs an OL coach that has a clue but other than that yeah he's fine.
This post was edited on 10/24/25 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 10/24/25 at 6:28 pm to AUstar
List of these coaches who had no prior experience at a major program - LOL-
Kleiman (failure)
Butch Jones
Briles
Grobe
Paul Johnson
Novell (1 year arizona)
Frank Beamer
Brian Kelley
None for SEC or Big 10 Championships.
Basically all had prior experience at football factories.
Kleiman (failure)
Butch Jones
Briles
Grobe
Paul Johnson
Novell (1 year arizona)
Frank Beamer
Brian Kelley
None for SEC or Big 10 Championships.
Basically all had prior experience at football factories.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 7:12 pm to AUstar
I'd like to see a biographical work up on prospective coaches along your lines.
NASA recruiting in the early days was done by CW Taylor. He read everything published on innovators in history and the theories behind their success. He also studied all of the WWII data on who innovated what and their backgrounds, biographies and personalities. His measure was very successful.
Prior to WWII, only those who were the upper 5% of upper colleges were admitted to research positions. During WWII the need was much greater and it was found that people with a "knack" for invention were the highest performers regardless of education. CW Taylor noted all of this in developing his very successful measurement questionnaire.
NASA recruiting in the early days was done by CW Taylor. He read everything published on innovators in history and the theories behind their success. He also studied all of the WWII data on who innovated what and their backgrounds, biographies and personalities. His measure was very successful.
Prior to WWII, only those who were the upper 5% of upper colleges were admitted to research positions. During WWII the need was much greater and it was found that people with a "knack" for invention were the highest performers regardless of education. CW Taylor noted all of this in developing his very successful measurement questionnaire.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 7:34 pm to Auburn1968
There are a number of established tests for innovative personalities that have been widely established. As I recall, the "Alpha Biographical" is one. I'm sure the psych department can find more these days.
This post was edited on 10/25/25 at 9:31 am
Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:24 am to auyushu
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A guy who has already failed as a P5 head coach deserves a look? And not only failed, but had a kid die during practice on his watch and had his team do a walk out on him because they were so pissed? Why on earth would he deserve a look?
I completely agree.
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