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Discipline, Understanding, and Execution - Where does the buck stop?

Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
922 posts
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:11 pm
The majority of the players lack the discipline to just do their damn job.

The majority of the players do not appear to understand what the job is that they are supposed to do,

If the players do not have the discipline to do their damn job or even the understanding of what that job is...how could they be expected to execute something they do not know and/or drilled how to do it?

Players no longer have the drive or grasp an understanding of what made the Alabama Standard the gold standard of college football.

The one thing that is common to the 3 major issues is that there is no one to set the absolute standard and require that the players meet that standard.

The buck stops in the office of the head coach and his requirement that the assistant coaches meet the standard before they can compel the players to strive for it.

End rant (for this week).
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19554 posts
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:22 pm to
Firing Wommack and hiring Vince Kehries would do wonders. Kehres comes from a culture of winning, the same environment that produced Matt Campbell, Nick Sirianna, and many other good coaches.
Posted by 11and18gggchamp
Tuscaloosa, Al
Member since Jan 2021
1851 posts
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:27 pm to
TTFWIW...

3rd party info...but an athlete on my team knows an athlete on a team at Bama that shares study hall with a few football players. Apparently, they said Deboer doesn't get on them, and when he does, they pay him no attention. So there ya go...
Posted by rolltideroyalty
Member since Dec 2024
118 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:45 am to
I question how much of this is on the strength coach (Ballou) as well...
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
18856 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 6:03 am to
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Apparently, they said Deboer doesn't get on them, and when he does, they pay him no attention. So there ya go...


That is on KDB.

If he hired coordinators who would enforce then he could continue to be the jolly west coast verision of "ole shucks" all he wants.

I believe Grubb is an enforcer it's just #74 harmed our OL cohesion, Ryan got concussed and had many drops and Ty Simpson was reading and throwing late.

The defense though? That was an absolute shitshow and they represent their Coordinator to the fullest.

Hence why the most important thing is to hire a defensive analyst to work as a ghost DC to create gameplans and lead halftime adjustments. If KDB is arrogant and stubborn about this, the AD needs to step in a put significant pressure on make such a hire.

Wommack should be DC only by title and shipped to some poor high school by February
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
1411 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 6:59 am to
Don't know if that's true but makes perfect sense and wouldn't surprise me a bit. It sounds like CKD and the staff either have or are completely losing control the team.
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
1411 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:40 am to
I'm a fan of Vince Kehres. Good coach, solid. You're correct, he would right the ship (at least on defense) quick. His salary at Toledo is $241K (?!).

For those that don't know who he is, google him. He's impressive.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50478 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:53 am to
The lack of discipline, effort and energy are why I don’t think the ship can be righted this season. You don’t just fix those things in a week or two. Those things are supposed to be instilled during spring football, summer workouts and early in fall camp. You also have to have older guys who have those things to help instill those things into the younger guys and I don’t think we have older guys that have those things (other than Bernard and Brailsford).
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
25633 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:11 am to
Here are the issues with the Alabama Football program.

CKD excels at building relationships, using the brand, and being a genuine nice guy to play for. This makes recruiting fairly easy.

CKD is failing at providing a sustainable culture and has the wrong coaches in place.

CKD expects his players to provide a level of accountability. He doesn’t provide accountability directly. This is why we are seeing the Washington transfers playing harder than the 5 stars.

CKD style will NOT work when your top players are getting paid millions. They are complacent and there is no mechanism to correct this. NIL fricks up CKD process.

You’re also taking these players who mostly thrive or need structure. Coach Saban detailed EVERYTHING. You either do it or you are out of the program. It’s why his players say he made men. It was boot camp. CKD is treating this program like the NFL except he is afraid to cut players and can’t because of NIL obligations.

This year and last year you can see “player only meetings” occur and the messaging is one of Coach Sabans. Focus on all the little things. Adhere to the standard. The players are trying to get other folks onboard but the complacency can not solely be removed by the players. The lack of top down mechanisms is leading to a lack of respect for CKD.

Now add the fact that coaches were shocked at how the players played timid and how it isn’t the “culture”. It shows a significant disconnect between the players and coaches. For Ty, he spoke to Coach Saban before the game and Saban told him to focus on not making negative plays. Ty was extremely timid. Coach DeBoer told him to sling it. That is going to cause confusion. While Saban isn’t trying to sow confusion people still respect him more than our current coach rightfully so.

While I’m all for giving coaches three years….DeBoer has a significant cultural problem on his hands and he also needs to fire his friends.

I’m not sure this man is going to do those things. Now this dude would probably be successful at Alabama in 5 years down the road but his style is way too different than Saban.


Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
25633 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:14 am to
Lastly, as a leader you need to come in and respect what is there before. Understand what works well and what doesn’t. You can slowly implement your system but massive changes right off the bat isn’t always a way to go. Especially, if the ways before were fully optimized. You are creating unnecessary churn.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
39480 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:17 am to
quote:

they said Deboer doesn't get on them, and when he does, they pay him no attention


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That is on KDB.


I mean, yes and no. If the kids don't realize they're throwing away millions of dollars in earnings at the next level then that's on them.

I'm really not sure why they stuck around if they didn't want to get better and take coaching. Nobody is forcing them to here. I don't think anyone signed with Alabama thinking yea this will be a lot easier than playing at Ohio State or Texas, and easy is what I'm looking for. Doesn't make any sense to me
Posted by Hawaiian Punch
Member since Jan 2018
956 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:24 am to
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Don't know if that's true but makes perfect sense and wouldn't surprise me a bit. It sounds like CKD and the staff either have or are completely losing control the team.


Part of the issue with DeBoer’s style IMO is you have all these high caliber athletes that have been told how they are God’s gift to earth since the time they picked up a ball in middle school, and DeBoer just continues to tell them how awesome they are. Whereas with Saban, Smart, etc., they would get these guys to campus and check their egos immediately. And this clearly got the most out of the players. The coaches made it very clear they did not care how many stars your recruiting profile had, and when you got to campus you better be ready to fall in line with the process because Saban & co. were “going to win with you or without you”. DeBoer with these players just seems like he’s terrified of losing a friend by getting into an argument.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
18856 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:25 am to
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mean, yes and no. If the kids don't realize they're throwing away millions of dollars in earnings at the next level then that's on them.


It's just "yes" man.

How any organizational structure works is the leaders give structure and expectations to the followers and they execute them. If they don't there is a system which punishes or reprimands them.

If your staff or team aren't performing well and they are capable mentally or talent-wise it's a failure in leadership.

This is how every business works. It's what Nick Saban beat into his players and it's shocking how many fans missed this message and think its all about fake tough guy and berating people. It's about accountability from the top down.

KDB destroyed that accountability with the hire of an incapable DC because he was a friend. Had he kept that integrity he wouldn't be in such a horrible situation.

Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
18856 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:28 am to
quote:

DeBoer with these players just seems like he’s terrified of losing a friend by getting into an argument.



How about KDB should focus on ripping his staff for a poor job??

I don't care how many stars you have if you don't know what you're doing you can't play fast or be effective.

When that rot sets that's when players (who are basically older teenagers) give up, stop caring, etc.

If our coach would actually be accountable then the tone would be set but instead of Wommack coming out explaining how he failed, Wommack came out to tell us how he knew it all, was very prepared, etc... what an idiot.

Even bigger idiot is the guy above him who didn't blast him for that stupid news conference
Posted by Hawaiian Punch
Member since Jan 2018
956 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:48 am to
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How about KDB should focus on ripping his staff for a poor job??


I agree. He should fire Wommack for that performance vs. FSU given what happened with Vandy and OU last year.

But I still think his style of coaching causes some players to not respect him or take him as seriously as they should and need to given he’s the head coach.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19394 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:50 am to
quote:

of Wommack coming out explaining how he failed, Wommack came out to tell us how he knew it all, was very prepared, etc... what an idiot.


Agree completely, it really bothered me how he said he knew what they were doing on offense. So why didn’t you stop it? Are you lowkey blaming all the players who all looked lost all at once? What are the odds every player is lost and it’s not coaching related?
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12677 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:24 am to
I usually do not go hard after the coaches but Wommack in my non expert opinion is in over his head. His style may have worked at places like South Alabama or wherever but not against the athletes we are going to see on a regular basis. He cannot make adjustments.

On offense my only concern is Simpson. I thought Grubb did ok with play calling except abandoning the run. Hopefully when we get JAM back that will change. It has to hard though to call run plays when the defense is going to stack the box because they know our QB cannot throw a deep ball or really much past 10 yards. But WRs dropping easy catches and a QB looking lost, under throwing long balls, and making mistakes like a true freshman when he has been around the game for multiple years now is inexcusable. Everyone kept saying Simpson was a gunslinger but that is not the case. At least coming into the season most felt he could be a solid game manager and that is not the case either.

I understand first time starting in a hostile environment, but he played like a nervous true freshman that only seen the playbook as a backup reading off a clipboard never expecting to see the field.

In the end FSU may win the ACC and be in the playoffs but that does not excuse how bad we played with poor execution, lack of effort, and mistakes. Getting beat is not the end of the world but with the talent we have the way we lost on that field every coach and player needs to big wakeup call or find another program. They all want to get paid now but do not want to earn it.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 10:26 am
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
12673 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:39 am to



Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4879 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:50 am to
How many time you're gonna post this so called information throughout different posts. You're wanting attention at this point.
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7932 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 11:06 am to
Lots of other fanbase trolls up in here downvoting
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