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Greg McElroy/Cole Cubelic on the bowl game

Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:36 am
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:36 am
On WJOX this morning, Greg McElroy and Cole Cubelic discussed our bowl game. As expected, they said the game was awful, and pointed out some specific issues:

- Cubelic noted the difficulty in pass protection, particularly by the tackles.
- He also called out issues with how the protection was set up, and said Jalen didn't seem to understand the scheme. He noted several times in which slide protection was called, but Jalen didn't get the ball out in a timely manner, which let the unblocked defensive player sack him or affect the play.
- Greg said the defense played well.
- He also said the QB play was very bad, and that Jalen apparently doesn't start a play with a plan other than the initial read. He talked about the last play specifically, and said once the expected blitz didn't come Jalen didn't seem to know what to do.

They didn't come out and say Jalen was the reason for the loss, but they both said multiple times it was difficult to watch the offense. Greg said he knew for a fact there was considerable frustration with Jalen among the staff.

A caller asked what Ty Simpson had done to not even be given a chance to provide a spark in the game, or at different points during the year. Both hosts reiterated many of the points we've seen on this board:

- Simpson didn't exactly light it up when he played against South Florida last year.
- Greg said some offensive players were strong Jalen supporters, and their effort during that game in particular was notably bad.
- Jalen played a big role in keeping much of the team together when Saban retired, and there was a strong sense of loyalty to him based on that.
- There likely was concern from the staff that if Ty replaced Jalen, a repeat of the USF game was possible.
- Cole said it might not have made much difference if Ty had played given the issues the offense line was having.

I don't know how connected Greg is within the program, but his comments seemed to confirm much of the suspicion expressed on this board. This offense was Jalen's, and was always going to be exactly as good or as bad as he was. I think the staff felt hamstrung and didn't believe they could make a change at the QB position without negative consequences.

I think DeBoer is a very good coach, and can be very successful here, especially once he can structure the team (especially the offense) as he wants. On the flip side, it's concerning that he apparently didn't feel he could make the changes needed to help the team be as successful as they could be.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:48 am to
I am betting these folks are closer to the truth than the immortal Jimmy Stein.
Posted by coldbeerfan
Orange Beach RTR Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
1322 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:58 am to
As a Bama fan, like all of you, I hate losing! Especially when we look so inept like we did in our 4 losses this season. It has to be fixed so we will see what kind of coach DeBoer is next season.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:04 am to
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Greg said some offensive players were strong Jalen supporters, and their effort during that game in particular was notably bad

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There likely was concern from the staff that if Ty replaced Jalen, a repeat of the USF game was possible.


I really think this is all conjecture, but I'm serious as a heart attack when I say if this was a real concern, that linemen would intentionally not do their job based on who's at quarterback, then every last one of them should be asked to leave.

This isn't middle school football. College football is a business and they work for one of the biggest companies in the business and are all being paid well to do so. There is no place for middle school drama in a man's game now.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:17 am
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
18206 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:05 am to
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. On the flip side, it's concerning that he apparently didn't feel he could make the changes needed to help the team be as successful as they could be.

Doesn't sound like it was his choice. I've said it a lot, but Saban didn't bench Milroe either. I know he didn't play in the USF game last year, but it didn't really feel like a true benching. Hard to judge Simpson on that game when defenders are running unblocked at him, and playing in a monsoon to top it all off.

Not saying Ty is some magic fix for the offense, but for him to not even be offered a shot given how poorly Milroe played this year is a travesty.

Somehow Jalen was able to handcuff two different coaching staffs to him, and knew no matter much he stunk it up, the job would not actually be taken away from him.

The dude can't be gone soon enough. Him drawing out his announcement is brutal.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:06 am
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:07 am to
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I am betting these folks are closer to the truth than the immortal Jimmy Stein


Looks like they are saying the same thing to me.

Stein chose to call it "loyalty."

McElroy went a little closer by acknowledging full on "mutiny."

The fact of the matter is there is a lot of smoke around that USF game, and everything that has happened since that day seems to be true... unfortunately.

Frick JM, and everybody that rode the LANK bus.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3732 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:12 am to
Going back and reading more carefully, you are right and I was wrong when it comes to your first statement.

And I agree with your last statement.
Posted by Contra
Member since Oct 2016
8713 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:15 am to
This loss and the most of the other losses are pretty much 100% on Milroe. There's no way to get around that. Hopefully this was his last game. This program and DeBoer need a reset from the Jalen Milroe era.

I know DeBoer had to be extremely frustrated, but of course he couldn't come out and say it. I hope he never does this loyalty thing again. I don't think he will given he won't have to face coming into a program and 1 player holding the team together again. Huge mistake on his part.
Posted by dominantD
Member since Sep 2017
311 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:18 am to
If JM is allowed back on the team in 2025, this program has bigger problems than can be fixed without MAJOR changes. It's time to stop the bleeding.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:24 am to
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- There likely was concern from the staff that if Ty replaced Jalen, a repeat of the USF game was possible.
Okay, but they weren't concerned about a repeat of the Tennessee game, the South Carolina game, the Oklahoma game, the Auburn game, or the Arkansas game from last year?
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:30 am
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
1068 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:27 am to
I'm going to put my own finer point on the supposed loyalty to Milroe: I think it was centered on the offensive line specifically.

This is my own interpretation, and I could very well be wrong, but I suspect they (or the upperclassmen on the line) were the main Milroe supporters. The skill players may have been part of the club at the beginning of the year, but the body language and reactions from them in the second half of the year seemed to indicate frustration and irritation at multiple times.

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Okay, but they weren't concerned about a repeat of the Tennessee game, the South Carolina game, the Auburn game, or the Arkansas game from last year?


I wonder if Jalen is one of those practice-field and film-room warriors who do everything right all week long, but go into a rapid downward spiral in a game when things don't go well. If I'm a coach, I'm gonna be hesitant to make a change, even after a debilitating loss, if the guy looks like a world-beater at practice the following week, and is correcting the mistakes he made on game day.

This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:33 am
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
18206 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:31 am to
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This is my own interpretation, and I could very well be wrong, but I suspect they (or the upperclassmen on the line) were the main Milroe supporters.

Pretty pathetic that these guys would rather lose with their buddy than win with literally anyone else. As a competitor, I'm not sure how you can even let yourself get to that point.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
4823 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:33 am to
I’ve seen it happen on football teams personally when I played. When you have a clique of people within the locker room that creates all kinds of problems.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:34 am
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
18206 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:39 am to
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I’ve seen it happen on football teams personally when I played. When you have a clique of people within the locker room that creates all kinds of problems.

Like someone said above, doing that at this level is just sad, especially now that they're all being paid.

Sounds like a great way to divide a team. Big props to Ty for sticking around after all that. Talk about an uphill climb for that kid.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
4823 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:41 am to
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Frick JM, and everybody that rode the LANK bus.


Amen. I’ve never seen a single player cause so much damage to our program. DeBoer has a big time mess to clean up. I’m absolutely disgusted that Milroe has his hand and footprints at Denny Chimes.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
3845 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:43 am to
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Him drawing out his announcement is brutal.


I imagine he initially planned on announcing for the draft immediately after the game and then the game actually happened. His camp is probably frantically trying to figure out his best option now that he tanked his draft stock. They're probably reaching out to any NFL contacts they have as well as other schools to see if anyone is still interested despite his atrocious game. Let's hope to God someone still is.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
4823 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:44 am to
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Like someone said above, doing that at this level is just sad, especially now that they're all being paid. Sounds like a great way to divide a team. Big props to Ty for sticking around after all that. Talk about an uphill climb for that kid.


Agreed on all points. I experienced it on the middle school and high school levels. These guys are college level athletes. It shouldn’t happen. But it does. We see cliques in the workplace with adults all the time. I also have mad respect for Ty. He could’ve easily quit and left because he was getting a raw deal from his team mates. Hopefully he gets a fair shot at redemption this season.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
Stuck in Transfer Portal
Member since Aug 2011
8913 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:48 am to
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They're probably reaching out to any NFL contacts they have as well as other schools to see if anyone is still interested despite his atrocious game. Let's hope to God someone still is.

I heard On3 say he might do well to go to USC and let Lincoln Riley coach him if he doesn't go pro.
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
3052 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:05 am to
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I heard On3 say he might do well to go to USC and let Lincoln Riley coach him if he doesn't go pro.


As long as his arse doesn't come back here, I'm good.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
54942 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:10 am to
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I'm going to put my own finer point on the supposed loyalty to Milroe: I think it was centered on the offensive line specifically.

This is my own interpretation, and I could very well be wrong, but I suspect they (or the upperclassmen on the line) were the main Milroe supporters.


I just have a hard time buying all of this. These guys want to win. There's no way they could be happy with consistent failure of their offense regardless of who is at QB. And its even harder to believe that Ty would put up with such bullshite and not enter the portal, especially considering how extremely easy it is now to jump ship. Ty really, really wants to play, so why hasn't he left to find that very attainable opportunity? That makes zero sense.

However, it is baffling that DeBoer never gave Ty, Lonegran, or Mack a shot. So who tf knows.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 10:52 am
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