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Worse hire, Jimbo or Kelly?

Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:38 pm
Posted by Silverback911
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:38 pm
I’ve still going for Jimbo. Kelly is a 7 or 8 win SEC coach or1 loss Notre Dame coach. Jimbo never made an SEC Championship.
Posted by Don Quixote
Member since May 2023
3346 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:42 pm to
at least Jimbo has a MNC to his name
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98908 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:43 pm to
Depressing question
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
24300 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:44 pm to
Fisher averaged around 8 wins a season which is impressive for aggie in the sec. Those are Sumlin like numbers.

The lsu bread and butter has been defense and kelly apparently doesn’t know what that is.
Posted by BigSneezy
Member since Nov 2020
4057 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:47 pm to
Well I think Kelley’s buyout is more than Jimbos.
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
4980 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:53 pm to
I thought CBK was a great hire and I still do. You need to give the guy more than 3 years. I'm not saying that because I'm a Bama fan. The guy is legit. If he hasn't got to the PO after 5 years with your recruiting base then ok, sure dump the guy.
Posted by BamaRoo
Shitlingthorpe, UK
Member since Jul 2009
3772 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:09 pm to
It's Jimbo . When Woodward made the hire , I honestly
didn't know anybody at the time who thought it was a good one.
That was a , "we tried to warn you" hire if ever there was one.
Jimbo seemed burned out and FSU was fast fading. But Woodward
needed a name hire.
With Kelly , start with Woodward needed
a name hire and then work your way down to Kelly would probably
be good for ten win seasons and might even blossom in
the SEC , so throw a ton of money his way and bingo --- two ten-win
seasons & this time , the wagon is coming apart.
Posted by Ash'sProstheticHand
Member since Nov 2012
1232 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:13 pm to
I'm not sure, but hopefully Scott Woodward will hire Jimbo after he fires Kelly and we'll get to find out.
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
16993 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

I thought CBK was a great hire and I still do. You need to give the guy more than 3 years. I'm not saying that because I'm a Bama fan. The guy is legit. If he hasn't got to the PO after 5 years with your recruiting base then ok, sure dump the guy.

Tell that to Auburn fans about their past HCs and current one.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21958 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:33 pm to
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Worse hire, Jimbo or Kelly?
This can't be a serious question

Take off your team blinders, and let's look at both hires and the reasons they were made.

1) Jimbo:
Kevin Sumlin had the Aggies on the cusp of relevance, had some solid teams with Manziel, and generally they were winning at an okay clip. They seemed to level off. So A&M fired him and brought in Jimbo for the express purpose of elevating the program and challenging for the SEC and national titles. Remember, they had a trophy made for a national championship, with the 20xx date, because he was going to get them there.
He boosted recruiting and had one good year, then things starting imploding and they eventually ran him off, with the team on a downward trend when they did.
Mission: failed.

2) Kelly:
Ed Orgeron took over from Les Miles (instead of doing an actual search for a coach), he took the pieces of Miles' program, kept the (respected) defensive coordinator, landed a good transfer QB and made a run for a title in 2019. He then behaved like a complete lunatic, divorcing his wife to chase skanks (and bring them to practice), lost his DC and didn't bother to vet the replacement, lost his offense and didn't do anything to fix it, stopped recruiting, stopped having discipline in the program. Players were quitting in or before the season, nobody gave a shite, LSU had 2 straight .500 seasons (would have likely been 2 straight losing seasons if LSU had taken a bowl appearance in 2020), ...
The administration flushed him. And they wanted to find a professional who could prevent the entire program from imploding ala Florida, Auburn, Nebraska etc.
They spent the money to pull Kelly from Notre Dame, and he's corrected the course. First season, 9-3 and an SEC West title with a flawed team. Second season, 9-3 and a Heisman Trophy winner with a flawed team with maybe the worst defense in the P5 level. Now this season- "oh no, we lost bad to Alabama! Oh no, we lost bad at A&M! Oh no, we lost the opener!"- he's on track to go to 9-3 again, LSU is STILL alive in the SEC race in November, with 3 winnable games left.
The complaint is classic LSU: we aren't winning the national title this year, so he sucks.

But the mission was to prevent things from flaming out of control, stabilize, and start making runs again.

At this point, I'd say mission is successful, although we'd like the runs to start happening soon. I just have problems condemning a guy who might end up finishing 9-3, 6-2 in the SEC three straight years, when his job was to prevent the program from becoming a dumpster fire.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30192 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:35 pm to
Kelly. He doesn’t belong here.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
11635 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:54 pm to
If Kelly, Jimbo, and Freeze were in a bar.
Posted by Boomer65
Norman
Member since Sep 2022
167 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:59 pm to
No Venables?
Posted by Tideroller
Lower Alabama
Member since Jan 2022
2888 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 8:00 pm to
Kelly averaged 3.5 losses a year over 12 years at ND. In his first 2 years at LSU he lost 7 games, so 3.5 losses per year for 14 years. So far this year, 3 losses. 3-4 losses a hear is what he was, is, and likely will continue to be. How can anyone be shocked or surprised?
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21958 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:19 pm to
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Kelly averaged 3.5 losses a year over 12 years at ND. In his first 2 years at LSU he lost 7 games, so 3.5 losses per year for 14 years. So far this year, 3 losses. 3-4 losses a hear is what he was, is, and likely will continue to be. How can anyone be shocked or surprised?
I'll say it again- LSU was on the verge of cratering after Orgeron's final years, and undoing everything that had been built up since Saban came.

Kelly was brought in to prevent that from happening, and rebuild the program fundamentally (all of Saban's and Miles' structure was gone).
He's doing that.

9-3 isn't what any ambitious program wants as the ceiling, but it's a solid floor. As much as I love my Tigers, we're not the program we had been in 2000-2009. They fired Miles because he was going 9-3, ... Orgeron went 5-5 and 6-7 after winning a title.
Maybe, just maybe, we need to accept 9-3 a few years, until we get all the players we want for the coaches we have. There are FAR worse things that can happen; I lived though them in the 90's and don't want to do that again.
Posted by Captain Insano
Idk
Member since Jun 2012
1220 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:22 pm to
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First season, 9-3 and an SEC West title with a flawed team. Second season, 9-3 and a Heisman Trophy winner with a flawed team with maybe the worst defense in the P5 level. Now this season- "oh no, we lost bad to Alabama! Oh no, we lost bad at A&M! Oh no, we lost the opener!"- he's on track to go to 9-3 again

Starting to see a trend here…
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
13268 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

They spent the money to pull Kelly from Notre Dame, and he's corrected the course.


Ah cool

quote:

First season, 9-3


Not a bad first season

quote:

Second season, 9-3


Oh. Ok

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on track to go to 9-3 again


Uh
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
15694 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:35 pm to
Jimbo Fisher

122 wins
4 division titles
3 conference titles
1 national title


Brian Kelly

105 wins
0 conference titles
0 national titles
1 division title

Jimbo had a season at Texas A&M with only one loss. BK’s best season at LSU is three losses.

Check my math, but I believe they have a .500 record against each other.

Jimbo’s national championship, conference titles and better single season in the SEC makes Kelly the worse hire.

Scott Woodward should never be allowed to hire another football coach.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
18504 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:35 pm to
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At this point, I'd say mission is successful, although we'd like the runs to start happening soon. I just have problems condemning a guy who might end up finishing 9-3, 6-2 in the SEC three straight years, when his job was to prevent the program from becoming a dumpster fire.
mission accomplished

and at the bargain price of only $50 million for the past three seasons (counting previous staff buyouts plus failed DC hires)


Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
20361 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:52 pm to
It’s probably Jimbo but I’m relieved to say that chapter is closed and done.
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