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Is ‘Bama’s offense too explosive for its own good? Short Drives, Play Mix, TOP, Per RBR
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:17 am
Is Bama's offense too explosive for its own good? Short Drives, Play Mix, TOP, Defensive Efficiency
Good article analyzing what may or may not be causing the issues we've had.
Good article analyzing what may or may not be causing the issues we've had.
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:29 am to RollTide33
IMO no. It does give the defense less rest, but at this point we aren't asking our D to be the '85 Bears, just make enough stops to keep the other team at bay at least, which is basically what that article concludes. shite, if they had have forced Vandy to punt 2 times in the second half, we likely win comfortably.
If our defense can't handle it, then that isn't the offense's problem.
If our defense can't handle it, then that isn't the offense's problem.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:41 am to RollTide33
TL;DR:
Hopefully this finally silences all the posters whining about the offense being too explosive.
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Alabama doesn’t need to stop scoring. It doesn’t need to RTDB more (though, I’d like to see the backs get more carries). It doesn’t need longer drives. It doesn’t need more time of possession.
It needs third down stops. That’s it. It really is that simple: execute on third (and fourth) down.
Hopefully this finally silences all the posters whining about the offense being too explosive.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:41 am to Funky Tide 8
When the defense gives up a 10 play TD drive, followed by a 17 play TD drive that's not really on the offense. That's how Vandy's first two drives went. In between those plays Bama ran 3 plays with a pick 6, then got a kickoff, scored a TD in 7 plays, and kicked it back off.
Don't blame the offense. The defense allowed 10 and 17 play drives right off the bat. It's their own inability to get off the field early in the game which caught up to them later.
Don't blame the offense. The defense allowed 10 and 17 play drives right off the bat. It's their own inability to get off the field early in the game which caught up to them later.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 11:58 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:42 am to RollTide33
Alabama is ranked 122st in defensive snaps (ie opponent’s plays against) at 76.4 per game.
Obviously a lot of that has to do with the defense just not executing and getting off the field but it would be naive to think a quick strike boom or bust offense (that also runs quite a bit of hurry up) doesn’t contribute to this. It does.
The other team’s offense also tends to be more aggressive in terms of going for it on 4th and stuff knowing they have to keep pace with Bama’s offense.
Just creates a game flow that has more possessions and more plays.
Not unlike Bama’s basketball metrics. Bama is one of the fastest pace teams in the country. That’s great but it is absolutely going to result in more possessions/plays for the other team. That is why Bama’s basketball defensive metrics like PPP can actually be pretty good even if their defensive scoring average doesn’t look that good.
Obviously a lot of that has to do with the defense just not executing and getting off the field but it would be naive to think a quick strike boom or bust offense (that also runs quite a bit of hurry up) doesn’t contribute to this. It does.
The other team’s offense also tends to be more aggressive in terms of going for it on 4th and stuff knowing they have to keep pace with Bama’s offense.
Just creates a game flow that has more possessions and more plays.
Not unlike Bama’s basketball metrics. Bama is one of the fastest pace teams in the country. That’s great but it is absolutely going to result in more possessions/plays for the other team. That is why Bama’s basketball defensive metrics like PPP can actually be pretty good even if their defensive scoring average doesn’t look that good.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:50 am to RollTide33
Saban answered that question several years ago. He said no. Its good to score anytime you can.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:52 am to elposter
Possessions by game:
Bama (14) WKU (14)
Bama (16) USF (17)
Bama (12) Wisconsin (13)
Bama (14) UGA (14)
Bama (10) Vandy (9)
Bama (14) WKU (14)
Bama (16) USF (17)
Bama (12) Wisconsin (13)
Bama (14) UGA (14)
Bama (10) Vandy (9)
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:11 pm to IB4bama
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Saban answered that question several years ago. He said no. Its good to score anytime you can.
Yes, absolutely. Offense job is to score as many points as possible. Period. Up to the defense to deal with the game flow created by a hurry up quick strike offense. Over time it will almost certainly lead to the defense have a worse scoring average but that should more than be made up for by the offense’s increased scoring average if the defense is doing its job.
Like Saban’s 2 undefeated seasons.
Bama’s offense in 2009 was decent and methodical and scored 32.1/game. The defense was good and also benefitted from that kind of game flow and gave up 11.7/game. A healthy 20.4/game delta.
Bama’s offense in 2020 scored quickly and often to the tune of 48.5/game. Defense gave up a pedestrian (for Saban) 19.4/game but maintained an incredible 29.1/game delta.
Give me 2020 all day everyday. Much better offense and I don’t think the defense was any worse than 2009 despite giving up 8 more points a game. It was probably better.
Eta: As a defensive minded coach giving up nearly 20/game probably drove Saban crazy but as a smart coach he takes the 9 point/game better delta every single time.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:15 pm to RollTide33
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Is ‘Bama’s offense too explosive for its own good? Short Drives, Play Mix, TOP, Per RBR
Short answer. No. Score wherever, whenever and however you can. Does that add a little stress to the defense? It's probably more stress on a defense from an offense not scoring points.
Posted this before, but it comes from an NFL analyst on what they target for a win. Some of things can be argued are metrics that lead to longer drives, but they don't call out TOP, drive length or play mix as part of what delivers success in a game. If you're on offense you want to meet these metrics and obviously you want the inverse of these on defense.
- Create 4 or more splash plays a game (20+ yards)
- Less than 2 turnovers a game (you can survive 1 turnover, if the differential is two or above you're immediately below a 50% win rate)
- 60% or better on 3rd down conversions
- 2 minute and 4 minute offense success (not really sure the actual metrics they follow to define success)
- 4+ yards on first down
They are focused on creating splash plays any way possible and limiting turnovers and winning on first down. Point production and scoring efficiency matter, not how you choose to get it done.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:52 pm to RolltidePA
A lot people think it's bad to have an explosive offense because if you don't score your defense goes back our there quickly. But if you go 3 and out quickly or 3 and out slowly it's still 3 and out. If you score in one play on every drive you only have to stop them one time.
It goes back to the defense, not the offense.
It goes back to the defense, not the offense.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:05 pm to RollTide33
I watched the replay of the Vandy game. In a nutshell, no, our defense is total shite. Missed tackles, lack of hustle, bad coverage, running into blocks, failing to read the play quick enough(linebackers), getting run over, poor gap control..you name it.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:06 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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Hopefully this finally silences all the posters whining about the offense being too explosive.
Some of these posters want to go back to 2011. With this defense???? LOLOL.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:17 pm to TS1926
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Some of these posters want to go back to 2011. With this defense???? LOLOL.
Exactly.
We need our offense to be able to strike quickly considering our defense will keep opponents in games late anyways.
I'm still mystified that we have allowed USF, UGA and Vandy to do 15-play drives, multiple +10-play drives, and convert damn near 75% on 3rd down... yet somehow that is the offense fault?
Nick Saban would lose his mind reading some of the nonsense posted here. Had we had this offense last year we cruise to a National title
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:21 pm to TS1926
If that’s the case, then Wommack should be relieved of his duties. This defense has enough talent to be, at minimum, competent. At best, very good.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:28 pm to RollTide33
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Is ‘Bama’s offense too explosive for its own good? Short Drives, Play Mix, TOP, Per RBR
No, but being able to run a sustained drive is a useful tactic we haven't shown we are able to do, and yes that can result in the defense being on the field too much.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:21 am to RollTide33
I wish we could do both -- like in years past. Hit a quick strike, get the lead, and grind them to dust with a solid running game. But we are who we are this year, and the defense has to get used to being tired.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 6:11 am to RollTide33
We’ve got to figure out the inside running game or it could be a long season. Second half UGA just crowded the edges to eliminate the stretch and Milroe outside runs and our offense couldn’t do a damn thing.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 7:48 am to RollTide33
Last year it was an inconsistent OL, penalties and Milroe that prevented Bama from sustaining drives.
This year it’s mostly an inconsistent OL. Pritchett is up and down at RT and the interior run blocking hasn’t been where it needs to be. Still don’t know what happened with Jaeden Roberts against Vandy and I refuse to rewatch the game to figure it out, but we had problems.
Frankly Milroe isn’t doing a good job in the RPO run game deciding when to give vs go either. Not sure if he’s trying to win the Heisman, not used to making those reads or both.
This year it’s mostly an inconsistent OL. Pritchett is up and down at RT and the interior run blocking hasn’t been where it needs to be. Still don’t know what happened with Jaeden Roberts against Vandy and I refuse to rewatch the game to figure it out, but we had problems.
Frankly Milroe isn’t doing a good job in the RPO run game deciding when to give vs go either. Not sure if he’s trying to win the Heisman, not used to making those reads or both.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:26 am to RollTide33
Absolutely ...the one thing you can't fix instantly is "tired". You can scheme all you want but it's all over once fatigue sets in now having a big enough lead can't allow the defense to run out the clock and these are young elite athletes so they don't need a lot get back to a competitive level but they need more than 3 min off then on for 6 off for 3
That era of AJ McCarron 35 min TOP 30-35 PTS was an optimal balanced machine
That era of AJ McCarron 35 min TOP 30-35 PTS was an optimal balanced machine
Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:16 am to tide06
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Still don’t know what happened with Jaeden Roberts against Vandy
Coach Kap said he's dealing with an injury that most people wouldn't try to play through, which is why you saw Geno come in at certain times. Kap said they're trying to manage Roberts' snaps until he's fully healthy.
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